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Old 08-03-2005, 06:36 PM
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RICHMOND, Va. - A cancer-ravaged woman robbed of consciousness by a stroke has given birth after being kept on life support for three months to give her fetus extra time to develop.

Susan Torres, whose plight has attracted support from around the world, gave birth to a daughter Tuesday by Caesarean section. The delivery went smoothly and the baby “is doing well,” her brother-in-law, Justin Torres, wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press. Susan Anne Catherine Torres weighs 1 pound, 13 ounces and is 13½ inches long, he said.

Torres, a 26-year-old researcher at the National Institutes of Health, lost consciousness from a stroke May 7 after aggressive melanoma spread to her brain. Her husband, Jason Torres, said doctors told him his wife’s brain functions had stopped.

The infant is being monitored in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit at the Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington, about 100 miles north of Richmond.

A hospital spokeswoman would not comment on whether Susan Torres’ life support was still in place.

Jason Torres quit his job to be by his wife’s side, spending each night sleeping in a reclining chair next to her bed. Last month, the fetus passed the 24th week of development — the earliest point at which doctors felt the baby would have a reasonable chance to survive, the brother-in-law said.

Torres was about seven months’ pregnant when the child was delivered. Doctors had hoped to hold off on delivering the child until 32 weeks’ gestation. A full-term pregnancy is about 40 weeks.

A Web site was set up to help raise money for the family’s mounting medical bills, and as of two weeks ago, people from around the world had donated around $400,000. The family said it must pay tens of thousands of dollars each week that insurance does not cover.

The couple have one other child — 2-year-old Peter, who has been staying with his grandparents.

“The entire staff and administration of Virginia Hospital Center, especially the physicians and nurses caring for Susan Torres and Baby Girl Torres, are delighted with the successful delivery,” the hospital said in a statement. A spokeswoman declined to release additional details.

Since 1979, there have been at least a dozen similar cases published in English medical literature, said Dr. Winston Campbell, director of maternal-fetal medicine at the University of Connecticut Health Center, which conducted research on the topic.

So Count go fu ck yourself and all the people in here that belive if a person has no quality of life then killing them is an option. I hope this baby and his mom live if not at least the father had enough of a reguard for human life to try to preserve it.









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Old 08-03-2005, 07:06 PM
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Definitely an inspiring story. Really unbelievable. Give the father a lot of credit
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Old 08-03-2005, 07:30 PM
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"So Count go fu ck yourself and all the people in here that belive if a person has no quality of life then killing them is an option."

Wait, I'm not understanding this. Am I and all the people who believe in euthanasia supposed to go fvck ourselves, or am I supposed to go fvck not only myself, but also all the euthanasia supporters? The way you wrote it, it's confusing. Thanks in advance for clearing this up.
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Old 08-03-2005, 08:46 PM
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Leave it to your dumb ass to make light of your kook fringe wacked out beliefs on euthanasia.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:23 PM
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This may sound bizarre. I believe abortion is murder but also believe euthanasia should be legal.
I would never committ suicide but if a person wanta to take his/her own life, why shouldn't they?

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Old 08-04-2005, 07:06 PM
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Not bizarre at all TT. The person can make an informed decision. The unborn child has no say in the matter.
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Old 08-04-2005, 08:25 PM
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There is no such thing as an unborn child. No human culture in the history of the planet Earth, until you sick fvcks came along, has ever called a fetus a child. If it has not been born yet, it is not a child.

The difference between us is, I don't give a shit what kind of moronic view you have, and I have enough (apparently unfounded) respect for you and others like you to allow you to carry your stupid, irrational, deeply ridiculous viewpoint throughout your entire benighted life and act upon it wherever you want to. You, on the other hand, apparently believe that even though you struggled to finish high school, you have such perfect knowledge of the nature of reality and the entire universe in general that you're entirely justified in telling me and everyone else what they can and can't do biologically.

If you don't like abortion, don't have one, end of story.
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Old 08-04-2005, 09:33 PM
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I wasn't taking a stand one way or another on the abortion issue. I was merely stating that TT's viewpoint wasn't so bizarre.

I'm a male and I assume you're one too so I don't see why either one of us should give a shit one way or another since we'll never have to have one.
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Old 08-05-2005, 04:43 PM
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So Count what makes a baby human I beleive it is a heart beat and I know for a fact when you stop a beating heart it is murder. Are you really that fu cking stupid to believe that if a child isn't born it isn't a child? So when does life start? What defines life? Even all of nature points to you don't start out a one thing and become another. When does a seed become a flower? One final thing just because you have different name for an unborn baby like Zygote and Fetus doesn't make it less human than these words we use, infant, toddler, child, teenager, adult and senior citizen doesn't make the person less of a person no matter what you call them.
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Old 08-05-2005, 06:36 PM
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1) The words infant, toddler, child, teenager, adult and senior citizen all refer to beings that have been born.

2) If a fetus is a child, why don't parents name their fetuses? Why don't they celebrate the day it became a zygote every year, rather than the day of its birth?

3) If you think a heartbeat defines life, try holding a cow heart under a running faucet.

4) When does a seed become a flower? A seed does not become a flower. It becomes a plant, which subsequently bears flowers under certain circumstances. A seed becomes a plant at the moment the root emerges from the seed case, just in the same way an egg becomes a chicken at the moment the chick emerges from the shell or the way a fetus becomes a child at the moment it is born.

5) In nature you don't start out one thing and become another? What about butterflies?
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Old 08-06-2005, 12:50 AM
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This may sound bizarre. I believe abortion is murder but also believe euthanasia should be legal.
I would never committ suicide but if a person wanta to take his/her own life, why shouldn't they?
tt,
As the Count has corrected this forum before, abortion is not murder in this country, murder being the unlawful killing of a human being, and although abortion is definitely killing, it is not unlawful in this country. Better for you to say that you believe abortion SHOULD be murder.
Now as for euthanasia, your ?, why shouldn't they? Did they or you or I create ourselves? If you don't believe in God, then you would be right to say that man should be his own arbiter of his fate. But if God created man, then man is subject to God's laws, and foremost amongst them is "Thou shalt not kill". That is why they shouldn't, to answer your question.
Now should euthanasia be legal? No, for the same reason, ie. it is against God's law. But a better question is should suicide be illegal? I mean it's not an enforceable law, you can't punish a dead person. But it should be illegal if only to give some sense of deterrent to people who are considering suicide. As it is now everywhere I know in this country, suicide is against the law, and someone who attempts or threatens to commit suicide can be forceably restrained in a mental institution for a period of time. Time heals many wounds and many people who have attempted or threatened to commit suicide have recovered and lived long and meaningful lives.
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Old 08-06-2005, 12:59 AM
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Good Discussion here , Carry on.
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:42 AM
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I guess this story is a right-winger's wet dream - keep a woman alive long enough to perform the only task she's needed for, then discard her as soon as she outlives her usefulness.
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Old 08-06-2005, 04:39 PM
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I guess this story is a right-winger's wet dream - keep a woman alive long enough to perform the only task she's needed for, then discard her as soon as she outlives her usefulness.
I am a proud right-winger and believe that the proper course of action was followed in this case. Since you disagree with this course of action, Nostromo, perhaps you would clarify what you and the left-wing would consider the proper course of action in this situation? TIA for what I'm sure will be a thoughtful and illuminating reply.
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Old 08-06-2005, 07:43 PM
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1) The words infant, toddler, child, teenager, adult and senior citizen all refer to beings that have been born.

2) If a fetus is a child, why don't parents name their fetuses? Why don't they celebrate the day it became a zygote every year, rather than the day of its birth? Pepople do name their children before being born. Also that logic about birthdays makes no sense.

3) If you think a heartbeat defines life, try holding a cow heart under a running faucet. What the hell are you talking about.

4) When does a seed become a flower? A seed does not become a flower. It becomes a plant, which subsequently bears flowers under certain circumstances. A seed becomes a plant at the moment the root emerges from the seed case, just in the same way an egg becomes a chicken at the moment the chick emerges from the shell or the way a fetus becomes a child at the moment it is born.

5) In nature you don't start out one thing and become another? What about butterflies?
Maybe Jim Kelley should of murdered Hunter along time ago after all he only lived 8 years and never had any quality of life. The fact is you are beyond pro choice. Many people in here would probably agree with a woman right to choose but you believe even if she has chosen life for the baby within the first two years of the child life if she changes her mind she should be able to take the child's life.
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Old 08-06-2005, 07:47 PM
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I guess this story is a right-winger's wet dream - keep a woman alive long enough to perform the only task she's needed for, then discard her as soon as she outlives her usefulness.
This man loved his unbord child enough and knew he would probably never have his wife to help raise the child. What he did was the right thing if she hadn't been pregnant when she had the stroke he probably would of told the doctors to DNR her. Your statement shows you are as big an idiot as most of the people in here.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:24 PM
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FWIW, I strongly support Jim Kelly's right not to have euthanized his child. I don't wanna get you all confused, but there's a difference between having an option and exercising it.
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Old 08-07-2005, 11:40 PM
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I guess this story is a right-winger's wet dream - keep a woman alive long enough to perform the only task she's needed for, then discard her as soon as she outlives her usefulness.
I think you might be mixing up issues here. I'm definitely pro-choice and pro euthanasia rights, but they did the right thing in this case.

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FWIW, I strongly support Jim Kelly's right not to have euthanized his child. I don't wanna get you all confused, but there's a difference between having an option and exercising it.
So Count how old must someone be before they can be euthanized? That will shut you up.
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