Serena Williams

[alec]

[quote=nostaw1952;1595998]
Personally, I think the chair judge who was called "an abortion" by Connors in his '91 match against Aaron Krickstein had a stronger beef than did that toad who, btw, made what most people agree was a bad call.

Why do you call the line judge in question a toad, nostaw? Even if she made a bad call, isn't that kind of uncalled for?

And speaking about the call. What evidence do those people that consider the call bad base their judgment on? You cannot see whether or not there was a foot fault, regardless of how many times you replay the video; and the video is all we have.

And I completely disagree that calling somebody "an abortion", or any other name for that matter, is worse than threatening somebody else with shoving a tennis ball down her throat.

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by Uncle B

lol


that is assinine...they just tagged him with that shit to kill the 'racism' shit flyin now.

I dunno, Unc, he not only snapped back, "Don't tell me me to shut up, I'll talk when I want to!" he used three obscenities, including two "F" bombs, and that's what the fine was for.
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[nostaw1952]

[quote=alec;1596523]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

Personally, I think the chair judge who was called "an abortion" by Connors in his '91 match against Aaron Krickstein had a stronger beef than did that toad who, btw, made what most people agree was a bad call.

Why do you call the line judge in question a toad, nostaw? Even if she made a bad call, isn't that kind of uncalled for?

And speaking about the call. What evidence do those people that consider the call bad base their judgment on? You cannot see whether or not there was a foot fault, regardless of how many times you replay the video; and the video is all we have.

And I completely disagree that calling somebody "an abortion", or any other name for that matter, is worse than threatening somebody else with shoving a tennis ball down her throat.

Without a doubt it was uncalled for, and I've already indicated that Serena deserved a point penalty, and with it, the loss of the match. But to be suspeneded for a MAJOR because some lineswoman got "humiliated?" PLEASE!
Stats for the women's tournament showed 31 foot faults called in 127 matches; that's less than one FF called every four matches, and the vast majority of those were called on first serve, which, of course, does not lead to the loss of a point, let alone match point. Calling a foot fault in that situation is something like a great base stealer trying to steal a base with his team down by 5 runs: you'd better be right. If somebody DOES call one when the evidence is, at best, inconclusive(and I heard a lot more "wrongs" than "inconclusives")it is hard NOT to feel that some sort of bias had seeped in. My attitude is pretty well expressed in the excerpt that follows by Tennis writer Peter Bodo:

So let's try to keep the two issues - the foot-fault call, and Serena's reaction to it - on parallel but separate tracks. As far as the call goes, I've consistently noticed one thing. Foot faults are called at really "inconvenient" times, often at critical times. I don't put this down to anything as nefarious as favoritism, although it's probably happened.I think it's because those line judges are in sleep mode during most of a match, but feel obliged to be extra vigilant at critical moments. No rule is enforced as selectively as the foot fault. It's a real problem, and one that probably can be fixed.

I don't know if the call was accurate or not; I just couldn't tell. What I do know is that the foot-fault was not not flagrant and could have had no meaningful bearing on the match. I'm not a person who is comfortable in gray areas, but I know one when I see one. I believe it's absolutely incumbent on the foot-fault judge to do two things: be sure a violation has occurred, and that the degree of violation is sufficient to interrupt play.


Why don't we have a special NBA referee, peering down the parallel lines of the free-throw lines to make sure that no player's toe is touching the line? Because it just isn't important enough when it you're talking about millimeters instead of a couple of inches. And no tennis player at the pro level flagrantly abuses the foot-fault rule; when it does happen, it's usually habitual, and caught immediately, at 2-1, 15-all in the first set. The foot-fault judge's duty is, or ought to be, ensuring that both players operate within an acceptable norm, "acceptable" containing very little wiggle room. This interpretation will displease many of the people who, generally, think along the same lines as I do, but let's remember, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

So here we had a player, Serena, who has an exemplary record for playing by the rules and accepting the decisions of the umpire and line judges. And we have a line judge who pushed her over some invisible emotional line by making a call, the accuracy of which can't even be ascertained by a careful examination of the video. It proved a deadly combination.

One of my first (and most lasting) reactions to this controversy was a growing conviction that Serena had done nothing that a few dozen men players haven't sunken to the heat of battle. My basic view of the entire affair remains the same: Lineswoman made a terrible decision, the victim of her call went ballistic. It happens in this game, and the higher the stakes the more volatile the reaction. I've seen it, oh, a thousand times. Remember when Jimmy Connors nearly shook an umpire out of his high chair, and the incident lived a short, happy life in the morning papers and died away, with no serious repercussions? Boys will be boys: did you catch Roger Federer during the final, telling the chair umpire, I don't give a s*it what he (del Potro) says!


Shouldn't we allow girls to be girls, too?

Granted, things are little different, now that Federer, Rafael Nadal, and the rest of the crew have made the world safe for exemplary conduct. The overall ATP and WTA standard of conduct is as high as it's ever been, and Serena herself has been exemplary in her on-court conduct. Tolerance for misconduct and even bad manners is lower than ever (how's that, all you bemoaners of that long lost and largely mythic civility?), which may be one reason for the up-tick in tennis's popularity (CBS has reported a a whopping 118% rise of viewership over last year's final for Monday's match). I understand that the poor little lady line judge felt menaced, but let's not get carried away - What was Serena going to do, club her in front of 20,000 fans and a vast international television audience?


Well, for a moment I thought she might - but it passed quickly. And then you just knew that the real damage had already been done by the the line judge and, if necessary, more would be added by the tournament referee and the court of media and public opinion. It was going to be in the hands of the Serena haters and the Serena apologists, whose intractable positions and feelings for the other side sometimes make our partisan political circuses seem like tame stuff. I myself was firmly in Serena's corner, at least until all the spinning began, at which point she disappointed me.

Serena should have recognized the value of those two simple words: "I'm sorry" earlier than she did. She should have uttered them as soon as possible to the victim of her outburst, and she should have clung to the basic meaning and message of those two little words as if it were a life preserver - something she would certainly need, as she was tossed left and right on the seas of the media.

I don't agree with saying this was worse than Connors, especially since, not only was it NOT technically a threat, even if it WAS a threat, it wasn't one that under the circumstances any reasonable person could have expected to be followed through.
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[Lake Monster]

Originally Posted by alec

Why do you call the line judge in question a toad, nostaw? Even if she made a bad call, isn't that kind of uncalled for?

Yes Nostaw, please enlighten us. I noticed you "forgot" to address that question in your last post.

P.S. you don't need to respond in all bold. Bolding doesn't make your opinion more compelling... only more annoying.

[THUMPER]

It could be worse... it could be ALL CAPS. That shit will make you go blind.

As far as Serena goes... holy shit that's a BIG ass!

'2 1/2 Men', all over again:



Think of what that monstrous black booty would do to my <relatively speaking> modest penis.

It would swallow Little Joe whole, without a trace in sight.

Hell, I'd be lucky if I ever got him back again!

[Rebunkshus]

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by Lake Monster

Yes Nostaw, please enlighten us. I noticed you "forgot" to address that question in your last post.

P.S. you don't need to respond in all bold. Bolding doesn't make your opinion more compelling... only more annoying.

First of all, when I annoy you, it makes my day a little brighter, but in this case, you're just too fucking stupid to figure out why I do it: to provide more contrast where my post begins, and where the previous poster's post ends. If he DOES post in boldface, I DON'T. GOT it, Numbnuts?

Secondly, why don't you take both hands, grasp firmly, and pull your head out of your ass? I DID address the question, learn to read, you brainless putz:

"If somebody DOES call one when the evidence is, at best, inconclusive(and I heard a lot more "wrongs" than "inconclusives")it is hard NOT to feel that some sort of bias had seeped in."

JESUS you're thick!




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[Lake Monster]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

First of all, when I annoy you, it makes my day a little brighter, but in this case, you're just too fucking stupid to figure out why I do it: to provide more contrast where my post begins, and where the previous poster's post ends. If he DOES post in boldface, I DON'T. GOT it, Numbnuts?

Funny, millions of other internet posters don't feel the need to provide such "contrast". I guess you're just special. Trust me, the anger and lack of intelligence in your posts provides plenty of contrast.

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

"If somebody DOES call one when the evidence is, at best, inconclusive(and I heard a lot more "wrongs" than "inconclusives")it is hard NOT to feel that some sort of bias had seeped in."

So by making a call that you disagree with, that justified you referring to her as a toad?

Are you actually a 16 year old, or do you just have the mentality of one?

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by Lake Monster

Funny, millions of other internet posters don't feel the need to provide such "contrast". I guess you're just special. Trust me, the anger and lack of intelligence in your posts provides plenty of contrast.

<<I couldn't possibly care less what "other internet posters" need. If it bothers you so much, feel free to avoid reading my posts, you peabrain putz...>>

So by making a call that you disagree with, that justified you referring to her as a toad?

<<It most certainly does, because, as I've already explained, I think it wasn't just an honest mistake. If that concept is too difficult for your little dinosaur
brain to grasp, tough shit.>>


Are you actually a 16 year old, or do you just have the mentality of one?

YOU'RE the moron who was too stupid to understand the reason for my boldface, and who got his panties all in a wad over same. Stick a white hot poker up your ass. Pissing and moaning like a little bitch over my writing writing style, I assure you, will NOTcause me to stop it-quite the contrary. But feel free to keep flappin' your gums about it. UH-oh, I contrasted again!

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[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by Lake Monster

Funny, millions of other internet posters don't feel the need to provide such "contrast". I guess you're just special. Trust me, the anger and lack of intelligence in your posts provides plenty of contrast.


So by making a call that you disagree with, that justified you referring to her as a toad?

Are you actually a 16 year old, or do you just have the mentality of one?

By the way, you were babbling about me "forgetting" to respond to a question,, funny how you carefully avoided the fact that my answer was right in front of you, leaving you looking like a complete idiot. What, no snappy comeback, no pithy rejoinder? You just gonna sit there with egg on your face and a stupid grin (well, I don't supposed you can HELP that part, cany you?)?

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[Lake Monster]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

Pissing and moaning like a little bitch over my writing writing style...

"Style" is something you're clearly lacking, Watson. Your profanity-laced internet temper tantrums clearly attest to that.

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by Lake Monster

"Style" is something you're clearly lacking, Watson. Your profanity-laced internet temper tantrums clearly attest to that.

Heeeeeeeey, SCUMBAG, nice non response to the issue. Since you seemed to have "forgotten," I'll "enlighten" you again:

By the way, you were babbling about me "forgetting" to respond to a question,, funny how you carefully avoided the fact that my answer was right in front of you, leaving you looking like a complete idiot. What, no snappy comeback, no pithy rejoinder? You just gonna sit there with egg on your face and a stupid grin (well, I don't supposed you can HELP that part, cany you?)?


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[THUMPER]

here "comes" surfin joe AKA THUMPER with some much-needed comic relief

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[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by THUMPER

here "comes" surfin joe AKA THUMPER with some much-needed comic relief

So, do you get a chubby every time you dig up a picture of Serena in a revealing outfit that you can goof on? She didn't ask you to bone her, did she? I have the feeling if you posted a picture of your wife, then we WOULD have some comic relief...


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[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by THUMPER

here "comes" surfin joe AKA THUMPER with some much-needed comic relief

So, do you get a chubby every time you dig up a picture of Serena in a revealing outfit that you can goof on? She didn't ask you to bone her, did she? I have the feeling if you posted a picture of your wife, then we WOULD have some comic relief...


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[THUMPER]

YouTube - Mercenaries 2 Song- "Oh No You Didn't" Full Song

LOFL @ the thought that I would be married. that is too rich.

Goofy dork.

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by THUMPER

YouTube - Mercenaries 2 Song- "Oh No You Didn't" Full Song

LOFL @ the thought that I would be married. that is too rich.

Goofy dork.

Then, show us a picture of your Main Squeeze-and I don't mean the one that goes between your hand on Saturday night, Hillbilly Boy...

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[THUMPER]

Uh oh. Another keyboard warrior. Gasp. This is a terrifying experience for me.

I'm single right now. I prefer it that way. There's a girl on the St Mary's soccer team who I'm going to ask out soon. Lets see what happens. Can't guarantee anything.

Way hotter than Serena W, in my opinion. But everyone has their own different attractions to different people.