so are we ready for WW3?

[drunkguy]

Bloomberg reports crude oil rebounded from its largest decline in three months after Iran test-fired a long-range missile in the Strait of Hormuz. Iran, which is the second-largest producer in OPEC said it may block the shipping lane and strike Israel as well as the U.S. Navy in the Persian Gulf if its nuclear facilities are attacked. Brent crude climbed 1.8% in at 11:15 AM in London reversing part of its 3.8% drop the pervious day. Nearly 40% of the world's traded oil supply passes through the Strait of Hormuz.




GWB will have us battling it out over there before he gets kicked out of office

Iraq starting to look like the gem of the region with Pakistan and Afghanistan a mess and Iran knocking on the door

[(sportman)]

Abu Dhabi buys 90% of New York City's Chrysler Building - International Herald Tribune

It won't matter drunk...we are selling everything we own...

Soon we can be bought to fight "Hire for Fire"

[Bostongambler]

Brent is up again --------------------0.57

[teazeman]

up 1.30 a barrel now............the drop was short lived...

[Domer]

Israel will definitely bomb their nuclear sites; it is a question of when and not a question of if. And it would be done out of self-preservation.

[drunkguy]

Originally Posted by Domer

Israel will definitely bomb their nuclear sites; it is a question of when and not a question of if. And it would be done out of self-preservation.

doesn't Israel have a nuclear weapons program?


boggles my mind how one country is allowed to have it and another is not

Either kill both programs or allow both to continue


who they are friends with should not be the determining factor

[Domer]

You do realize that since its founding the leaders of Iran have repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel? These are not people who should be having nukes, and almost the entire world is in agreement on this. Israel will simply enforce it, because not doing so would risk the lives of all of their citizens.

Don't see how this can possibly boggle your mind.

[Cheap Tipper]

The USA is the only country that has actually USED nucleur bombs on another country. They should not be lecturing the world on who should and should not be allowed to have them.

As for Iran, I hope they wipe Israel off the face of the earth. The Palestinian/Israeli conflict has been fueling worldwide trouble for decades. Israel think they're so strong and mighty just because their money controls American politics. It's time they got a taste of their own medicine, for doing things like enslaving Palestinians and attacking Lebanon two years ago for no reason at all.

[drunkguy]

Originally Posted by Domer

Don't see how this can possibly boggle your mind.

It boggles my mind that Israel is allowed to have them and a neighborin country is not

I guess any country should be considered OK until they make an explicit statement saying they are going to destroy another country?

So if Iran revokes their call to destroy Israel, should they get their nukes back?

Ho do you know Israel doesn't want to bomb Iran and will use its nukes to do so? Just because they haven't made it official policy, we shoul consider them a peaceful nation? What about other countries that haven't made any overt threats? They should all get nukes too, until they make a statement to the contrary? I guess we should take every country's "intentions" at face value?

Your criteria for who is and isn't allowed nuclear weapons are ambiguous and seem to depend mostly upon who is allied with who. That is not a sensible global policy.

How can we tell one country they aren't allowed to have nukes while a neighboring country (with a history of tension between them) is allowed to have them? That makes absolutely no sense on any logical basis. A lot of people (most Arab countries) would say that Israel should not be allowed to have nukes. Why is our assessment of "danger" more important than anyone else's?

[(sportman)]

Why is our assessment of "danger" more important than anyone else's?

Because we have more manpower to fester up the nonsense...
You think other countries sit around and label "danger" days like we do?

[Bostongambler]

Originally Posted by Cheap Tipper

The USA is the only country that has actually USED nucleur bombs on another country. They should not be lecturing the world on who should and should not be allowed to have them.

As for Iran, I hope they wipe Israel off the face of the earth. The Palestinian/Israeli conflict has been fueling worldwide trouble for decades. Israel think they're so strong and mighty just because their money controls American politics. It's time they got a taste of their own medicine, for doing things like enslaving Palestinians and attacking Lebanon two years ago for no reason at all.

WTF is this?????????

[Cheap Tipper]

It is my opinion. Would you care to share yours?

[Bostongambler]

And DG I think all that matters is if a country is deemed UNSTABLE. Which Iran clearly is.


I know what you mean when you say who decides who can have them. But I quess we have to make the rules along with other Superpowers.

[Bostongambler]

Originally Posted by Cheap Tipper

It is my opinion. Would you care to share yours?

Yes, It is my opinion not to wipe out a group of people just because where they are and who they are.


Are you Hiltler.

[Cheap Tipper]

Originally Posted by Bostongambler

But I quess we have to make the rules along with other Superpowers.

What gives you the right to make the rules? The USA is the only country ever to nuke another country. You should be the last country to have an opinion on this.

[Cheap Tipper]

Originally Posted by Bostongambler

Yes, It is my opinion not to wipe out a group of people just because where they are and who they are.


Are you Hiltler.

I have nothing against who and where the Israelis are. I have a problem with them invading and intimidating their neighbours. They are no different than a child running around the playground hitting other kids with a baseball bat for no reason. It is hard to get all the other children to get out of their way. Much easier to send the kid with the baseball bat to the principal's office.

[Bostongambler]

They are defending themselfs against threats from an unstable country.


Are they supposed to sit around and wait/

[Domer]

Originally Posted by drunkguy

It boggles my mind that Israel is allowed to have them and a neighborin country is not

I guess any country should be considered OK until they make an explicit statement saying they are going to destroy another country?

So if Iran revokes their call to destroy Israel, should they get their nukes back?

Ho do you know Israel doesn't want to bomb Iran and will use its nukes to do so? Just because they haven't made it official policy, we shoul consider them a peaceful nation? What about other countries that haven't made any overt threats? They should all get nukes too, until they make a statement to the contrary? I guess we should take every country's "intentions" at face value?

Your criteria for who is and isn't allowed nuclear weapons are ambiguous and seem to depend mostly upon who is allied with who. That is not a sensible global policy.

How can we tell one country they aren't allowed to have nukes while a neighboring country (with a history of tension between them) is allowed to have them? That makes absolutely no sense on any logical basis. A lot of people (most Arab countries) would say that Israel should not be allowed to have nukes. Why is our assessment of "danger" more important than anyone else's?

Am I right in assuming that you see no problem in Iran - a state sponsor of terrorism; a country that took US hostages; and a country whose official foreign policy towards Israel is one of hopeful annihilation - possessing nuclear weapons? This is a bit insane.

It is not just the United States who is against it. The entire (sane) world is, including the United Nations.

This "argument" (your position is untenable) is moot, though, because Iran will never will be able to enrich their own uranium to the point where a nuclear weapon is possible. Their facilities will be bombed by Israel before the material can be weaponized; that is a certainty.

[Cheap Tipper]

Originally Posted by Bostongambler

They are defending themselfs against threats from an unstable country.


Are they supposed to sit around and wait/

That's the type of attitude that got the USA into this whole Iraq mess.