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Old 03-28-2001, 01:02 AM
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Default I got a f-f-f-feelinnnnnggggg.

Make it an official fffeeellliiinnngggs pick.

Honduras -1/2, +125 (although I'd go as low as +100).

Good luck.

(edited to add the "good luck" footnote, which I must do to avoid the big jinx. However, it's possible that add-on "good lucks" don't work. I may indeed have jinxed myself. Bet with extra care )

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Old 03-28-2001, 05:49 AM
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Honduras sucks,that is a loser jink boy.that voodoo crap dont work.
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Old 03-28-2001, 03:58 PM
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In Poland we have:
Honduras - USA +290 / +200 / -143
Unbelievable! Pure "no-risk" over 10% with Olimpic or Hill!!!!!
How strong is in Poland faith in USA team...
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Old 03-28-2001, 04:50 PM
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good luck pok!
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Old 03-28-2001, 08:47 PM
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Just an opinion to back-up pokerface's argument:
Honduras opened with a 2-2 tie at Costa Rica. Three teams from the finals, which also include Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago, will qualify for the 32-nation field at the 2002 tournament in Japan and South Korea.

Honduras hasn't qualified for a World Cup since 1982. "I think everybody left in the region has a lot of respect for each other," Sanneh said. "We can't take it for granted. We beat a great team in Mexico, but we were
also playing at home. The other teams respect us, and we respect them, and we know that we need to get points at home and fight for what we can away. Other teams are always going after us, being a bigger country and a world power."

Honduras has mostly local-based players, but team captain Carlos Pavon is a forward for Morelia of the Mexican League. Honduras is wary after the Americans' win over Mexico.

"They do not despair," Honduras midfielder Jose Luis Pineda said. "They concentrate, and when they arrive near the goal, they are very dangerous."

Notes: Fs Preki Radosavljevic of Miami and Chris Albright of D.C. United were added to the U.S. roster. ... The United States is 2-1-3 against Honduras. In the last matchup, the nations played a 1-1 tie in December 1994, at Fullerton, Calif. In the last game between the countries in San Pedro Sula, in March 1965,
Honduras won 1-0 in a World Cup qualifier.
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Old 03-29-2001, 02:07 AM
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Well, we all went down with the ship on that ugly boat as the USA is emerging as a definite threat...

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Old 03-29-2001, 10:19 AM
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I am not part of all or we.I was at the 94 match at Titan stadium,time sure flies.I say USA is soft,Mexico,Honduras,Costa Rica all suck,not quality wins,just beat a bunch of midgets,just go over the top of them.But USA will never beat France or a real team.
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Old 03-29-2001, 01:50 PM
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Witek, the Polish team has been doing quite well recently to be honest. Few people believed that they would be top of the group with such a commanding lead at the half-way stage. Automatic qualification to Japan 2002 is just around the corner.

A good friend of mine who is from Norway cannot believe that his team are dropping points in each and every game. I can't see Norway going through which is a big surprise to all of us.

On a side note, I can't believe that Man U are such favourites to advance to the semis. I've seen odds of 4/7 Man U and 5-4 Bayern, which seems to be a grave injustice to the solid German team.
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Old 03-29-2001, 05:41 PM
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Conrad, Poland team plays well becouse we have one man - Emanuel Olisabebe from Africa, who become nationalized about a year ago. In 8 matches he shot 7 goals for Poland!!! Maybe USA team also should nationalize a few players from Africa...

Conrad, are you this Conrad from forum "mecz" in Polish language?
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Old 03-29-2001, 05:58 PM
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I like Bayern to hold them tough.

Sorry to lump you in with the rest of us railbird...

good job selecting usa...
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Old 03-29-2001, 06:56 PM
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Turkoman, Railbird never said he bet USA, or even picked them. He said my bet loses, yes. But in soccer that's not the same as taking the other side, because of the draw factor.

His "analysis" consisted of saying "Honduras sucks," which is a worthless statement. You can say of anyone and anything that "they suck." If France fails to successfully defend the WC next year, Bird and others in his flock will probably say "they suck." It's the Beavis and Butthead world view. But "sucks" is a relative term, without value without context. In the context at hand--CONCACAF WC qualifying--to say that Honduras sucks is ignorant.

This was a great win for the US, and I've never been happier to lose a bet. But I don't think Railbird was doing any handicapping here, or wagering. He was just trying to put some negativity in the house, God bless him, because he's still upset he had Stanford over Maryland.

The truth is that Honduras has been, on National team, Olympic team and club team level, anyone's equal in the region the past two years. It's also true that this is the USA's first Central American road win in WC qualifying in 36 years (according to the paper today; I thought they'd pulled one off 12 years ago, but maybe I remember wrong). It's also true that Honduras is considered the toughest place to play in the region. It's also true that the USA was missing 5 starters.

It's not true, from a bet's loss, that a player had the wrong side, especially when betting underdogs, which Honduras, to win, was.

The USA's next game is at Costa Rica, where they've never won, and on whom I also bet yesterday, so that I didn't lose any money on the day.

This win over Honduras should create a great overlay on CR next match. I'll be there for it, too.

Railbird, otoh, will be consuming wheatgrass and trying desperately to convince himself that his bitterness and negativity is inspite of that diet, not because of it. And he might be right, too. I wouldn't know. I have a wife. She cooks food.

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Old 03-29-2001, 07:02 PM
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Witek, I don't think it's fair to say Poland's success is only due to their African. They've had very strong teams in the past, as I'm sure you know. This guy adds a much needed element, but he's being well fed. I like Poland to qualify for Japan, and surprise people once there.

Norway, otoh, is an incredible disapointment. But I'm not sure too many soccer fans will be sorry to see them eliminated, because their playing style is so boring.
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Old 03-29-2001, 07:09 PM
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Anyway, a win and a loss yesterday, brings me to +23.72 units on 192 picks, 12.3% ROI, the ROI equivalent of 58.8% on 50/50 propositions at 10/11.
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Old 03-29-2001, 08:50 PM
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Pok,

Excellent points all around.

I, too, like CR to beat up USA next time as we should get some juicy odds.

what about saturday? Any impressions yet?
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Old 03-30-2001, 04:43 PM
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Witek, yes I run the "mecz" forum you're speaking of, albeit from abroad.

Olisadebe isn't the sole reason behind the team's recent success. Half the players play in the German Bundesliga, so it's a well-balanced team with plenty of talent to go around. Four wins and a draw is a dream start, and if they continue winning at this rate then they might as well book their tickets to Japan in advance...
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Old 03-30-2001, 04:59 PM
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conrad,

I just read a column on "O" -- what a great, great player.

when does poland play next and do you like their chances?
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Old 03-30-2001, 06:59 PM
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Well, their next WC2002 qualifier will take place on June 2 when they play against Wales in Cardiff at the magnificent Millennium Stadium - Britain's top venue. I will surely be at the game as I live only a few hours away.

They are missing two important players through suspension though, and Wales are always a tough team to beat at home. I guess it all comes down to the odds and current team news. But it'll definitely be a game that I'll be looking at closely in late May, and if I have any insight into the match then you'll be the first to know

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Old 03-31-2001, 07:12 AM
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Poker Joe,

We are a good team,you have made me a lot of money,I respect you very much as a handicaper,I also respect your intution.I had all your feelings plays except for the last 2,I had a Maryland feeling as well I just didnt act on it,I was married to Stanford for 6months I just thought Montgomery might meet destiny this year.

Casey Jacobsen had some character issues with dying his hair,Laimbeer or Ainge never dyed their hair.

I like the USA side over Costa Rica,CR and Us have some friction from pass matches,do not mess with a positive verve.USA is on a positive Verve.

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Old 04-03-2001, 12:58 AM
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I know, Bird. Non soccer people might not appreciate what a huge win this was for us, but it could signal a real breakthrough. To be able to win otr with half the lineup out, deep in the soccer jungle, is amazing.
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