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Old 02-25-2001, 09:43 PM
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http://www.tip-ex.com/

For one thing, they've got a soccer odds/results archives. Finally found that somewhere. Excellent, excellent, excellent.

For another, they carry US sports lines for almost every one of my non IX outs. Not sure how quickly they update, but so far my checks on their numbers are perfect.

Nice to have Sportsinteraction, Canbet, Pinnacle, Yabet, Darwin, Carib and others available in one place. Not just for soccer odds, which I can get from Betbrain, but also NBA, NFL, NHL, and tennis. No college baskets, but I don't bet that anyway. Do have NBA totals.

Also, their handicappers are good, and not just for soccer. Check out their NFL archived write-ups. Not a super percentage, but definitely an interesting approach.
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Old 02-25-2001, 11:40 PM
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you mean you didn't know about this before?

sorry, assumed you would have

been around for quite a while, well, since last March anyway.
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Old 02-26-2001, 12:57 AM
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won't give you a Mexican odds archive of course, and might only be back to the start of the year
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Old 02-26-2001, 01:28 AM
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sorry PJ, think I was lying, you can look at last years if you do x 2000
was around week 10 it started.
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Old 02-26-2001, 01:41 AM
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AV, I remember these guys as odds-comparison, but soon after I discovered them, they disappeared. Now they've reappeared with some new partners.

I haven't checked how old are the archives you can call up. Just f'ing around I punched in 30 2000, EPL, and that came up.

Hopefully they'll have this full European season, so I can get to work creating an easier to access (for me) database for the major countries.

It isn't hugely important, but I guess I just used to having such a reference for US sports.

BTW, aussie, while you're here, do you still have, or are you associated with, or even just know the best site for Aussie sports? I'm sure you've posted this at BW, but I can't remmeber it.

Also, I'm getting interested in unitedbet. A visit to their website didn't specify no yanks, but I was wondering if you knew anything more about them.

Also also, I believe betzone found a way around their no yanks rule by opening a subidiary called, if I remember right, eurofootball.com. I'd like to see megasports and centrebets do that, if it's a fair loophole.
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Old 02-26-2001, 04:34 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by pokerjoe:
AV, I remember these guys as odds-comparison, but soon after I discovered them, they disappeared. Now they've reappeared with some new partners.

-- Hmm, they never disappeared, because I was using it! Over the last few weeks I did get a weird message when I logged on from my free ISP 'there was nothing to see, move along' whether that was a hack or what, I don't know, did you see that?

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Old 02-26-2001, 04:58 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:[/size]<HR>Originally posted by pokerjoe:
[b]AV, I remember these guys as odds-comparison, but soon after I discovered them, they disappeared. Now they've reappeared with some new partners.
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As Blue said, they never went anywhere. According to Einar though they had been working on that for some time. You have told all these people now, it will get overloaded again!

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I haven't checked how old are the archives you can call up. Just f'ing around I punched in 30 2000, EPL, and that came up.

-- Week 10, 2000 to be precise, might be a tiny bit of week 9 test data.

Hopefully they'll have this full European season, so I can get to work creating an easier to access (for me) database for the major countries.

It isn't hugely important, but I guess I just used to having such a reference for US sports.


-- It is probably in a better format than stuff like Don Best too, with line moves, etc., for multiple places at once. Wonder if places like this have anything to do with them being free the IE part?


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BTW, aussie, while you're here, do you still have, or are you associated with, or even just know the best site for Aussie sports? I'm sure you've posted this at BW, but I can't remmeber it.

-- Best site in what regards? You won't get an oddscomparison, stats, news, or what? Not really a lot out there. Small new market. Anyway, have been cogitating upon this soccer odds database structure myself, so drop me a line at aussievamp2@hotmail.com if you want, re: that and Australian sports info. Problem being with your database, you have to keep it up to date yourself

Also, I'm getting interested in unitedbet. A visit to their website didn't specify no yanks, but I was wondering if you knew anything more about them.

-- Not really, and a couple of emails have gone unanswered. I am not enthused at all by an operation obviously run by Scandinavians in Australia aimed at Europeans and Americans. Smells a bit strange to me currently. No-one I know knows much about it either.


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Also also, I believe betzone found a way around their no yanks rule by opening a subidiary called, if I remember right, eurofootball.com. I'd like to see megasports and centrebets do that, if it's a fair loophole.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

-- Well, Megasports and Centrebet are in Australia, not a UK tax haven or anything. Centrebet is not likely to be divested of by Jupiters (and hence Park Place or whoever it is that owns them, never remember which US casino chain) so I doubt it. Doubt that they care, either, being happy to have Europeans bet at increased margins on most things.

Megasports in the process of sale finalising so that may or may not change depending on who buys them, if it is not a US casino chain (and that would be unlikely) ever heard of Forward Publishing? I would imagine that will change.

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Old 02-26-2001, 10:28 AM
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About odds-C, I just couldn't log on at all for several weeks, and gave up on them. I thought they were also off bethelp.com for a while. Anyway, they're back, and I'd like to see them stay afloat.

AV, what I really wanted to do was just get a line and results history for Aussie Rules Football. Just want to see if my NFL algorithm functions at all with it. Different sports, I know, so probably not. But I'm a geek about this stuff sometimes, and could find out in a few days. Maybe rugby, too. I wouldn't bother trying to handicap either sport, both because I don't have time and because, not having played them, I don't think I could have an instinct for them. But numbers is numbers, and I like fiddling with them.
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Old 02-26-2001, 11:42 AM
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Yep, numbers are numbers, I agree, and I like fiddling with them as well

Different games though, so not sure if it will work? How much data do you need? Anyway, likely to bore the crap out of people here, so might want to drop me a line, see what I can do for you.
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Old 02-26-2001, 11:44 AM
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I have never played soccer (well, a couple of times) and definitely never played ice hockey, so not sure that matters, numbers are numbers as you say.

However, rugby league is a possession sport, aussie rules is a disposal sport, and rugby union is a possession sport with a bit of disposal I guess
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Old 02-26-2001, 11:45 AM
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You use instant messengers at all?

I have ICQ, MSN, AOL and Yahoo if I have to
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Old 02-26-2001, 11:47 AM
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Presumably if you have an algorithm you think might work cross-sport, it is based on scoring? i.e. as you say above you would have no idea what stats exist in footy, let alone know which ones are important

so what about basketball (American) then?
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Old 02-26-2001, 12:14 PM
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Need to let me know pretty fast re: the oz stuff too, so I can still get it
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Old 02-26-2001, 10:40 PM
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AV, just sent you an e-mail.

The editor of Tip-ex e'd me as well. Seems to be an alert, hardworking crew over there. Responsive, if you've got questions or suggestions.
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Old 02-26-2001, 11:23 PM
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Ok, will have a look - no, he definitely knows what he is doing that bloke.
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Old 02-26-2001, 11:37 PM
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PJ, reply sent

Am on the various IMs now as well.
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Old 03-12-2001, 09:43 PM
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I am having meltdown on www.tip-ex.com.

Have you guys got an alternative address? I think that Betbrain is pretty good so am looking forward to checking out this.

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Old 03-12-2001, 09:53 PM
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E-mails sent to editor@tip-ex.com have
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tipex-editor@ssp.co.uk instead.
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