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Old 05-23-2006, 07:41 AM
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At this point, I wouldn't rate Oz behind Greece anyway, but especially at home? At home big time? Against a Greek team just there for the paycheck?

Pinny has Australia -1/2, +119, or -1/4, -114

From an Aussie paper:
"The Dutch mastermind declared the MCG blockbuster was a friendly in name only as the Aussies prepared to take their place on the world stage in Germany.
Hiddink emerged from a team meeting at the Grand Hyatt yesterday, flanked by assistant coach Graham Arnold and reappointed captain Mark Viduka.

"It's not just a fun game; internationally, there are no friendly games any more," Hiddink said.

"Of course we respect the rules, but it doesn't mean we're going 60 per cent or 50 per cent.

"No, we have to go almost full, considering we have just started.

"It's to be a farewell game, and farewell means nice atmosphere, nice party. But we are not yet strategically game-fit, so it's a serious test for us, and for me to see how the team is doing."

Hiddink admitted he was blown away by the thought of a thunderous MCG crowd spurring on the Socceroos as they prepared to emerge from the World Cup wilderness.

"It's unbelievable -- 95,000 people for a friendly game," he said. "I think it's a reward for the team, for what they have achieved. And that means people are hungry to see good football players." "

And this:
IF ANY Greek players think they might be in for an easy time in Thursday night's "friendly" at the MCG, they are in for a shock, Socceroos winger Brett Emerton warned last night.

Australia coach Guus Hiddink has his players primed for a full-bore assault on the European champion and Emerton yesterday predicted that the 98,000 crowd would be in for a fantastic spectacle as Australia warmed up for a World Cup assault that could make it become one of the surprise packages of the tournament.

"They are a great team, they are European champions and I think they are going to be a great test for us," Emerton said. "But I think we will go there and give it 100 per cent. We have not got too many games before the first game (against Japan), so we have to take every game seriously.

"No game's a friendly and we won't take it lightly, that's for sure."

And from a greek soccer site:
Several key players will miss Greece's first trip to Australia to face the Socceroos on 25 May. Panathinaikos FC defender Ioannis Goumas and Olympiacos CFP midfielder Pantelis Kafes miss out through injury, while coach Otto Rehhagel has omitted Mihalis Kapsis, Paraskevas Antzas and Evangelos Mantzios because of fitness concerns. Goalkeeper Konstantinos Chalkias is on duty for his club Real Murcia CF.
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Old 05-23-2006, 08:47 AM
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And today's friendly, Croatia at Austria, also seems too easy. Croatia -1/2, -110?

Austria, with it's new coach, just lost to freaking Canada 2-0. But besides that, in the past year, they've lost or tied Scotland, Cyprus, Azerbaijan and Latvia.

I know their best club team is scrimmaging T&T today.

This is the only info I could find on the game, from a forum:

According to Austria Head-Coach Josef Hickersberger 3 debutants will take part in this fixture from the beginning. According to sportlive.at - Marc Janko (Salzburg), Thomas Prager (Heerenveen), Christian Fuchs (Mattersburg), Christoph Leitgeb, Klaus Salmutter und Johannes Ertl (alle drei Sturm Graz) are the new six players, which were called for this friendly. Markus Schopp, Jürgen Macho and Emanuel Pogatetz won't take part in the fixture due to injuries.
"Croatia (3-4-1-2)
Pletikosa - Tomas, Simic, Tokic - Bosnjak, J. Leko, Tudor, Babic - Kranjcar - Klasnic, Olic
Coach Kranjcar decided to play this game without Modric, Srna and Kovac who trained seperatly from the team. Simunic has a knee injury......................."


this frendly game i s interesting that it`s gonna be play in vienna so near croatia ,and is expected to be lots of fans of croatia ,visitors are better team from austria that for sure but ,did gonna put to much on field ,? ,who knows...
6 new players for home team ????maybe that the chance for croatia
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Old 05-23-2006, 09:33 AM
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PJ, thanks for the Australia tip. This does look sweet indeed.
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Old 05-23-2006, 03:57 PM
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TheAustralia game is a 95000 sell out.....but Melbourne is home to biggest greek population in world outside Athens...800k live there and they will have the majority of the support. 500 greeted the teams planes arrival and a further 10k attended a reception for the team in the Greek area. Seems at least 60k of tickets have gone to greek supporters. I don't think this is a gimme for the aussies at all and if anything it is more like a home game for the greek. I wouldn't back the aussies giving any kind of start.
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Old 05-23-2006, 04:13 PM
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-0.25 +100 in asia is worth a shot with the pumped up aussies.
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Old 05-23-2006, 09:34 PM
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If 60k Greeks show up at the stadium, then the Australian Primi Minister should ask Qantas to reserve 60,000 one-way tickets to Greece for these people. Go back to your own corrupt hole, clowns. It's embarassing enough seeing these idiots at an Australian Open match where The Scud is playing. All of a sudden they all forget that they're Australians...
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Old 05-23-2006, 10:37 PM
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Croats cruise to 4-1 win over Austria.
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Old 05-23-2006, 11:52 PM
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Here's the argument against an Aussie win here, from an Asian forum:

Venue: Melbourne

But, who's playing at home here?

Today, Melbourne has the biggest Greek population, well over 800,000, outside Greece. A few hundred Greek fans packed the airport to greet the squad in the early hours of Saturday morning & 10,000 more did their bit as the team was presented at the Melbourne Greek community's annual street celebration. So, expect a predominantly Greek turnout in the 95,000 strong MCG on Thursday.

Although Greece narrowly missed out in this summer's World Cup finals, the reigning European champions have brought a virtual full-strength line-up in early preparations for their qualification for Euro 2008. Big names like Dellas (AEK Athens), A Basinas (Mallorca), Zagorakis (PAOK), Karagounis (Benfica), Stelios (Bolton), Charisteas (Ajax) & Samaras (Man City) have all made the trip and are likely to start.

This game is the first of 3 friendly matches for Australia as they gear up for Germany in June. However their preparations have been been seriously hampered by injuries to their attacking players, mostly 1st-choice selections. Striker Aloisi (Alaves), who scored the winning penalty in the shoot-out against Uruguay is the latest casualty. He will be sidelined alongside Kewell (Liverpool), Cahill (Everton) & youngster J Kennedy (Dresden). This leaves Viduka (Middlesbrough) & A Thompson (PSV/Melbourne) the only attackers. Australia's last training session was centred around formation samplings in view of the absentees.

Given there is hardly any home ground edge for Australia here & key players missing, I can go with Greece +0.25 $2.04 at Pinnacle.

My price: Greece +0.25 $1.75
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Old 05-24-2006, 12:19 AM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Conrad

If 60k Greeks show up at the stadium, then the Australian Primi Minister should ask Qantas to reserve 60,000 one-way tickets to Greece for these people. Go back to your own corrupt hole, clowns. It's embarassing enough seeing these idiots at an Australian Open match where The Scud is playing. All of a sudden they all forget that they're Australians...</end quote></div>

Obviously you haven't seen the Mexicans play the US in LA or Honduras playing in Toronto or things of that nature.
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Old 05-24-2006, 04:46 PM
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Money coming in on Greece. Aussies now at -1/4, +100.
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Old 05-24-2006, 10:46 PM
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Smart money have gone on Greece +0.25 in asia.. A clear no bet game for me.
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Old 05-25-2006, 03:31 AM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: pokerjoe

Money coming in on Greece. Aussies now at -1/4, +100.</end quote></div>


that's the price I had 24 hours before your post... now -0.25 +104... I don't think there's been much of a move, money just trickling in on this game. If you look at teams that have had to travel and play on short rest in the last few days (N Ireland lost to Uruguay, Romania lost to Uruguay, New Zeeland lost to Hungary, Morocco won at USA) it looks like the teams doing the travelling are just showing up and are not fully aclimatized with the time zone change. Still liking the Aussies here.
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Old 05-25-2006, 10:26 AM
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Aussies win 1-0.

Australian keeper Zeljko Kalac -- a surprise choice over Mark Schwarzer -- wasn't forced to make a save until the last 10 minutes of the match.

Forwards Harry Kewell and John Aloisi and midfielder Tim Cahill did not play for Australia because of injury.
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Old 05-25-2006, 09:43 PM
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Since this seems to have become my friendlies thread...

Mexico +1/2 +116 vs France.

Mexico is hyper-prepped for this WC. And, as one of those teams constantly searching for respect, likely to play pretty darn hard against such a high profile opponent. No mere exhibition game for them. I believe they got hammered pretty good last time they matched up here.

France, otoh, is a mess. The coach is just plain weird, the team is bickering. And too old for all this crap. They lost their last home match to Slovakia. They were hiking in the Alps yesterday. Great prep, that. Traveling just before a home game. I think Mexico's been in Paris a few days longer than the French now.

"France coach Raymond Domenech will experiment in Saturday's World Cup warm-up game against Mexico with the unusual pairing of Lilian Thuram and William Gallas in central defence.

Chelsea's Gallas, often used at left-back by Domenech, will play in the position he prefers alongside Thuram of Juventus for the match at the Stade de France.

Domenech also went for a surprise up front by picking David Trezeguet and Djibril Cisse with Thierry Henry starting on the bench. "
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Old 05-25-2006, 10:51 PM
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yeah australia had about 6 or 7 semi-serious chances to greeces 2
under 2.5 looked safe all the way
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Old 05-25-2006, 11:18 PM
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Venezuela +1.25 vs the US 1/2 unit

Venezuela recently lost to Mexico only 1-0, and this is a better teamc than what they fielded there. They're adding their two best players, Lecce's Cichero (and his brother, too, playing in Bulgaria, for that matter), and Mallorca's excellent Juan Arango. Why would they add Euro based players in the middle of a little friendly travel, if not as a sign of intent?

US won't play anyone nursing injuries, meaning Reyna, and Gibbs is now off the team because of his injury.

I know that the US may want to show more, following that disapointment vs. Morocco. But then again, Bruce Arena has made it clear that he's building up toward the WC, NOT this send-off tour. I haven't heard any comments from him about the importance of winning this game, as opposed to Croatian and Ozzie comments about doing exactly that.

BTW, I hate this WC prep of ours. Travelling all the time (they're playing 3 friendlies in one week, each in a different city), and going to Europe late.

"In accordance with his plan to rest the first team and give reserves a run out, US coach Bruce Arena is expected to make six or more changes to the team, but a handful who played against Morocco will feature as well.

"We're looking at more players and continuing to move forward," Arena told reporters following a US training session at Cleveland Browns Stadium.

"The most important date for us is June 12," he said referring to the opening Group E fixture against Czech Republic in Gelsenkirchen. The US also play Italy on June 17 and Ghana on June 22.

"There's (player) changes," Arena said. "Not only do we have the challenge of this game, but the game on Sunday. So, we have to mix and match accordingly and do what makes sense.""

Saudi Arabia +1.5 vs Czechia

It's hard for me to bet on these guys, but I'm going to take a chance that this game will mean much more to them than to Czechia. They've been training right next to each other, which should increase the underdog's comfort level. The Czechs played a game Thursday, crushing a local side, but still, the night before another game? And they've got a few injuries being nursed. Seems they aren't taking this game too seriously, yet SA is, more so. They're playing a lot of friendlies, losing to the decent Euro sides, Belgium and Poland, by a goal each.

This line is moving quickly. Went to punch it in at -104, got shut out, repunched to get -107. Now it's -124.
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Old 05-26-2006, 06:42 PM
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SA lost 2-0. I didn't get to see the game, and scores themselves aren't too dependable as soccer predictors, but still, if the Czechs, whom I suspect were much less serious about this game than the Saudis, won comfortably, that really makes me think: Tunisia -1/2. I don't think teams can "casually" beat Tunisia.

"Milan Baros scored in the 15th minute and Marek Jankulovski converted a penalty kick in the 90th minute to lift the Czech Republic to a 2-0 win over fellow World Cup qualifier Saudi Arabia in a friendly played in Austria on Friday. Neither team looked like world beaters, but the Czech side did control the run of play in a match where both coaches substituted liberally in the second half. Saudi Arabia looks to be improved from four years ago, but I still think they'll struggle in Germany."
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Old 05-26-2006, 07:41 PM
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Serbia -1/2 vs Uruguay

Might end up being a 2 unit bet for me. I want to confirm this info, but supposedly, Uruguay are missing some of their biggest stars: Forlan(Villarreal), Recoba(Inter Milan), Zalayeta(Juventus), Chevanton(Monaco)? I don't believe these guys played in the US friendlies.

This is a home game for the Serbs, their last before the WC starts, their sendoff game. Uruguay played on the 23rd, in LA, and only 2 days before that in NY.
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None of those guys played for Uruguay against Romania... Here's their starting lineup, they absolutelly dominated that game against a jet lagged and uninterested Romania...

Uruguay: Fabian Carini - Andres Scotti, Carlos Valdez, Diego Godín, Walter Lopez - Diego Perez, Pablo García, Guillermo Giacomazzi - Fabian Estoyanoff, Sebastian Abreu, Gonzalo Vargas
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