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Old 12-18-2005, 10:05 AM
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Level ball, 82.5 to 85 generally available. A regular sized bet.

My somewhat primitive computer engine makes this game Chelsea 40%, Arsenal 31%, Draw 29% (does that add to 100? Briliant!) The computer absolutely cannot account for injuries or suspensions, but those can't be said to favour Arsenal so I guess the number can be bet.

My gut also likes Chelsea here as Arsenal's tight pitch isn't so much of an advantage anymore with Vieira gone and the side getting a little softer. Chelsea did not deliver the goods away to MU and that is a slight concern here--but I think if they had won easily at Old Trafford we'd be looking at -1/4-ball 100 instead of level-85.

If you can't bet the handicap don't play the coupon at less than 2.625 (13/8). Betfair (2.64 presently)doesn't quite get there after commission is figured in.
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Old 12-18-2005, 12:35 PM
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As the in house gooner, have to comment.

I agree! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] Chelsea can defend very well against Arsenal, along with Bolton I think they have sussed us out.

I do believe though we have a good core of young uns, but they are still young uns, and to have them fitting into your midfield this early is hard, against normal side they look very good, but against Chelsea they look at little out of their depth, but its all good experience.

Of course I want Arsenal to win today, bt think a draw is the best we get today, and CHelsea level ball seems prudent.

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Old 12-18-2005, 01:11 PM
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I took Royal's DNB -115 earlier in the day but this kindergarden, mickey-mouse joke of a book would only let me bet $200.
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:55 PM
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Chelsea,and teams like that will almost killing football.
How interesting is a leauge-where the champions is decided BEFORE christmas.
I wont hold up-not in the long run...stuff like that.
There has to be some NERVES involved in sports...and if the casual fan gradly will lose interest,its only a logical thing.
Im sick and tired of G14..and Chelski.
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:58 PM
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I would love to see G14 create a European Super League and try to nick the lot in terms of tv revenue, marketing rights, etc. The whole caboodle will fall apart within a few years and the greedy bastards will come crawling back to the fold eventually.
Meantime, the non-tv friendly teams can get back to basics, put bums on seats at an acceptable price level, get player salaries (and power within the game) under control and the 'beautiful game' can flourish again, right down to the grass roots.

Ahead that's why I love Everton (besides being brainwashed by my father from an early age), there's never a dull moment ... fighting for a European place one year, against relegation the next [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

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Old 12-21-2005, 08:58 AM
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What really needs to happen is FIFA needs to be told to jam their International schedule.

4 international qualifiers a year, one friendly, and continental championships once every four years, during close seasons.

I open the online papers yesterday and the BIG BIG NEWS is that Yakubu has told Nigeria he'll pass on the African Nations Cup. At first I thought "that's no big deal, there'll be another African Nations Cup three months later. He'll play in that one instead." But then it dawned on me:

Chelsea's massive advantage isn't thanks to the 11 guys who started the first game at Wigan. It's the 13 more they can bring on with no appreciable drop in quality. It's a little bit naive to think Boro's best 11 can compete with Chelsea's best 11, but if you send Yakubu off on international duty and he misses 9 games because Nigeria reaches the semis, that's got to cost Boro at least five points.

Cut back on all this International nonsense and it's not the G14 anymore, it's G40 or G50. Many teams' first 11 could give Chelsea a run, because their players weren't constantly being called up for moneyspinners in Japan or Jakarta or Jupiter.
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Old 12-21-2005, 09:51 AM
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I'm tired of the regional league stuff. How many years has it beeb since the introductoin of jet passenger aircraft?

Regional leagues are a joke because you always get no more than 4-5 good teams that can put on a proper spectacle day in, day out, and around 13-15 who just make up the numbers... nothing else. Sure there's an upset here and there, but who honestly cares? I won't be around to watch West Brom take a point off Chelsea anyway...

There's neads to be a superleague or possibly two that would encompass the entire continent and generate top-flight matches on an unprecedented scale. The only drawback is that knock-out competition is a lot more interesting than the league format. So possibly I'd go the American way and do with soccer what they do with basketball across the Pond. Regular season... and then the playoffs.
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Old 12-21-2005, 10:01 PM
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I hope it happens Conrad, for the simple fact it would put an end to the shit us normal football fans have to put up with. You are welcome to go and watch your franchises compete against meaningless rivals for meaningless silverware.
We'll stick with our game and our teams, and yours will die a very quick death.

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Old 12-22-2005, 09:07 AM
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Park, do you want to watch Chelsea take on Barcelona, Bayern or AC Milan week in, week out, or would you rather watch them play Birmingham, Middlesbrough and West Ham.

I know what I'd rather watch on weekends...
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:48 AM
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There is an easy way to fix this.

1. Restrict FIFA to organising the World Cup.

2. A hard cap on player salaries. For a squad of 24 players, teams in topflight leagues can spend a total of 36 million Euros. This is an average salary of 1.5 million Euros, maximum. That's about 20,000 pounds a week. You want to pay Zidane three times that? You're going to need to have a cuple of Pavons. Teams in the second flights have a salary cap half as big, and every division a team is further down the salary cap is halved again.

In reality, 80% of clubs still won't even spend the maximum, but the competitive balance will be better. Teams that spend their divisional maximum will stand a better chance of going up, but we will find that third-flight teams who can theoretically have a player budget of 9 million Euros will spend much less.

3. Ticket prices frozen for ten years. Reductions permitted. All children under the age of 16 receive a 50% concession at least.

4. Maximise TV revenues for the Champions' League by making it more TV friendly. Bring back the second group phase. Don't start all games at 20:45 CET. Start half at 19:45 and half at 21:45. If two teams from country X are playing that day, try to schedule one early and one late. Encourage clubs to sell cheap tickets by blacking out games in the host country that do not sell 80% of stadium seats.

4B. Division of TV/ad revenues, Champions League: UEFA: 5%. Competing Clubs: 45%. National associations: 5%. Non-Qualifying Clubs in top flights of national leagues who put teams in the Group Stage: 25%. Second-flight teams...20%.

5. Transfer fees fixed (by table). Transfer fee trebled if player is moving from lower division to higher division. Player contracts voidable by team, or by player, on six months' notice. If player subsequently signs with rival team in same division , or team in higher division, transfer fee enforced.

6. Of squad of 24, 16 players must have been registered at the club before their 16th birthday. Clubs may have a maximum of 4 "underage" non-EU players on the books at any one time.

Most of these ideas are not my own, but this is my collection so far.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:11 AM
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Football is cyclical Conrad, similar to politics and indeed empires. In the UK for example, who would have thought the stranglehold that Liverpool had in the late 70's and 80's would be broken? Likewise Arsenal and the Mancs in the 90's and early noughties. Now Chelsea look invincible.
What you are suggesting rides roughshod over the history of the game to make a plastic spectacle for short term fans, who when the 'bug' is over will move on to another manufactured sport. As somebody who has been going to watch his team for over 30 years, I have had my share of ups and downs - Everton have been great for 3 or 4 years in my lifetime and it will come again.

The salary cap is ultimately the main tool that can be introduced to level out the playing field, politically it will never happen though,

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Old 12-24-2005, 07:56 AM
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Park, I just think it's unnatural that the top teams on the continent don't play each other on a weekly basis. They're kept apart with this "local league" idea that has been around for decades, probably before the invention of the motor engine.

I genuinly think it's more fun to beat the sh!t out of Germans or Spaniards (at least we'd be repeating history here...) than it is to whack 11 boys who live and train 200 miles away. What's the fun in that? Everybody keeps pretending that the local league is the most important, that winning the Premiership or the Scudetto or the Primera Division is the biggest aim, but we all know that lifting the Champions League trophy is the biggest prize of all. I mean take Chelsea and Liverpool last season, who took the grand prize?

Shawn, I'm not a fan of salary caps. People thought that after the Bosman ruling clubs would be skint once players start asking exorbitant rates for their services. But the market regulates itself and nothing like this has happened. There is no player in Europe who can ask for a ridiculous contract apart from Ronaldinho, because that guy is truly unique. But the rest? No chance. Fair enough if it's a free transfer, then the guy can expect a few extra $$$, but then the club doesn't spend a penny on buying him out.

I definitely agree about making the CL more TV-friendly. It's absolutely ridiculous that all games are played at exactly the same time. We all know that 'live' soccer is the only way to get an audience because replayed matches are like eating ice cream two hours after taking it out of the freezer. The matches should be stacked, 6:30, 8:30 and 10:30 starts.
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