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Old 11-29-2005, 05:29 AM
ElCattivo ElCattivo is offline
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Anyone having early thoughts on the World Cup? Personally I find it very hard to bet international games - I have great runs but sometimes nothing seems to turn out the way I anticipated the games ...

At the moment I really believe that Italy could get the team to look out for, moreover we have the usual suspects

Brazil (great team - nuff said)
Germany (never underestimate the Krauts at home)

I really do fance Sweden as well - but they need a not too hard group in the first round - their squad lacks depth


Any other oppinions (pre 1209)???

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Old 11-29-2005, 07:47 AM
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England, Italy, Germany.

Can't wait for the draw, should be a blast.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:54 AM
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Germany have the best chance to go all the way. After that, Brazil and Argentina. Then you have a bunch of mid carders in with a shout - the Italians, Spaniards, English, Czechs.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:16 AM
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Italians are probably the toughest team to beat. Spain sucks so no point wasting money there. England could win it if penalty shoot-outs weren't involved and these aren't unlikely, and the Czechs... I don't think they're in the same form as during the European Championships.

Maybe the Greeks can take it... no wait... they didn't qualify, did they? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-29-2005, 01:13 PM
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Germany has no defense, thus no shot. Kahn has that error prone thing going, same as Barthez. Germany will likely get a peach draw but should stumble around the semis.
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Old 11-29-2005, 02:32 PM
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@ Vega ... I do not believe the Czechs will go too far ... they were great at the European Championship and still won nothing, in the last year they were very unpredictable ... they had some great games, but most times they sucked ...

Argentina sounds good to me ... but think they will go out in some penalty shoot out (like England)

Spain have no chances ... they are great at club football, but their national team is not too important for the population (and for the players)
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Old 11-29-2005, 04:28 PM
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Itīs gonna be one of the BIG countries that wins...again.
Brazil is everyones favourite,and rightfully so-allthough they might starting to leak defensive,they are just too much attacking.I mean Ronaldinho on his own can certainly win any match at any time for Brazil.
Itīs the same old countries.I am really interested in if Luca Toni will spark as much on the highest possible international level.IF so...you know it usually only takes ONE miracle man upfront for Italy to go very far...even winning tourneys like this.In 94 there was Baggio,90 Scillachi and of course 82 Paolo Rossi.
Iīm sure Totti doesnīt have that consistant quality over a long tourney...but the way heīs going Luca Toni perhaps can.
Germany lacks quality-but at home soil they will probably go far.
Argentina-I donīt think they have what it takes this time round.
England-No way mate!Lacks quality goalie,midfield that doesnīt work,and good company to Rooney.I think England was really good 02,but they have gone downhill since.
Chechs-Better a year ago.Missed Koller this campaign-but Nedved and Baros were better a while back.
Holland has a decent team.Can go really far IF everything goes their way.
Spain-NO chance.There not that good to begin with.
Sweden/Croatia...Teams that CAN go far if all bits falls into place.Semi most probably max though.
Mexico?-kinda interested here.Best chance since 86 no doubt.They seems pretty solid.
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Old 11-29-2005, 07:46 PM
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Ahead, I also think that Brazil will be hard to stop. But take out Ronaldinho and maybe 1-2 others and the team is no longer such a huge favourite. Plus they've struggled in matches in previous events so it's not like they will dominate every game.

Germany has quality and I see the home team even reaching the final. Home support, familiar stadiums, lenient refereeing, a good draw... what else can you ask for? They should do well.

Argies can do well, as can England. The Three Lions have no goalie, but their midfield is possibly the best in the business. I'm more worried about what will happen up frony as Rooney isn't exactly your classic striker.

Czechs - as you said, they were better a year ago. Holland have outclassed them recently and are a force to be reckoned with.

Spain has NO chance. They have no team really. No guts, no determination, and devoid of top-class players in various positions.

Sweden - the team is good and can take on anyone. The question is whether they can keep up that level throughout the competition. I'm a big fan of Larsson, but apart from him I can't see the team posing a huge threat to other contenders in terms of striking power.
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Old 11-29-2005, 08:22 PM
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Brazil will have to win a lot of 3-2 and 4-2 games... Cafu and Roberto Carlos are getting old and they are still effective going forward but they are crap defensively. A team that can keep possession against Brazil can punish them like Argentina did in the 3-0 win in qualifiers. I think England can give them trouble if they can sort out their goaltending issues. Holland can also give Brazil trouble. Germany can't stay with them.

Don't choke on this, but look out for the Swiss if they get a half decent draw in the group stage. This team might be a bit young but they will get to the semis in Euro 08.

France is very old and Henry has never produced at national level. If he can click with Trezeguez and there's no Anelka distraction, they compete as Dhoraso and Ribery will help Zidane in midfield. Leave Pedretti at home and give the young guys a shot. And no Barthez please, there are 7-8 better french goalies. I'd take Coupet, Landreau and the styling guy from St Etienne. There's more to him than the biker tatoos and the cool jerseys.

Czechs? Bounced... Sweden? Don't think so. Croatia? Overrated. Spain? For the first time I've given up on them before the tourney. Poland? No chance.

Any african nation? Maybe Cote dÍvoire can do some damage, they have a lot of skill and physical depth. Goaltending always a question but with Zokora, Drogba, Kone and Dindane, there's a lot of offense on the pitch.

USA - Round of 16, maybe more but I doubt it. Mexico? In fighting and they win one, draw 2 and lose on PK's in the round of 16.

Interesting to see Australia. They didn't look that bad at the Confed Cup, even if the lost all games.
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Old 11-29-2005, 09:01 PM
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Not sure you boys are identifying England's weaknesses correctly ... Paul Robinson is an excellent goalkeeper, though there's nothing behind him if he gets injured. Sven's persistence in playing Rio could cost him though, there are at least 4 better centre halves than him: (a fully fit) Campbell, Terry, King and Carragher. And Lampard and Gerrard don't go as a midfield partnership.

What do we think of Serbia as a longshot? Not been mentioned yet, and while I would agree that one of the 'big' teams will win it (they always do), granted a decent group I think they can have a fair run.

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Old 11-30-2005, 09:07 PM
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Brazil and Argentina are obvious contenders and have the skill to beat anyone, but let's keep in mind that South Americans have only once won a WC in Europe in the entire history of the event, and that was up in Scandinavia and not on the mainland.

There's something about these stats that raises goosebumps. Just like the fact that the hosts always advance from their group. Never in WC history have things been different. People thought that in 2002 things would change when Korea and Japan were the hosts, but even then both teams went through to this day the trend has never been broken.
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Old 12-01-2005, 11:33 PM
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Holland / Portugal not worth a mention ?
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Old 12-02-2005, 07:10 AM
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Holland, yes.

Portugal, no. Just like Spain. No hopers...
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:01 PM
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I think Sweden might suprise some of you guys from what I read in this thread.. They got what it takes to take on anyone. Very solid defence, good midtfield and top strikers. England is the usual crap, people always mention them, and they will fail as always. France is too old as someone already mentioned, and Germany too weak at the back. Italy i am a bit unsure about this time. Spain will disapoint again. Czechs are not as good as at the EC, or I would like them as a strong outsider.

Left for the title is for me then Argentina, Brazil and Holland. I think its been ages since any south american team won a WC playing in Europe, so of those 3 I would pick Holland, who seems to be a really strong team this year. Brazil can outpower anyone with their offense, but as we saw at EC, its usually good defenssive teams that got the best shot at winning it in the end, so they might get knocked out by one of the strong defenssive teams at some point.

Looking forward to what I think will be a really good tournament with alot of good teams. I will be missing Denmark and Rumania there though, I think they should have qualified for it, but was unlucky beeing in the toughest qual groups.
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Old 12-03-2005, 03:24 AM
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Speaking of tough qualifying, how tough do you guys think it is to make it out of Europe when the 3rd place team at the last WC and the euro champs are in the same group and neither makes it to the world cup?

Of all the teams that didn't make it, I think not having Cameroon and Nigeria there are the big surprises. I know african qualifying is quite a massacre, but still, Nigeria has a lot of depth and should not have left it to a 90th minute PK to decide it.

Two teams I'm very happy about not making it are Uruguay and Ireland. Neither has shown any positive football in any of their recent participations and would have shown the same out kick em, out hack em type of play in getting out of the group stage and no further type of action.
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Old 12-03-2005, 09:56 AM
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Regarding Sweden,we have a brilliant goalie,a rather suspicious defense,a wellbalansed and quite deep midfield,one proven striker in Henrik Larsson and the BRILLIANT Zlatan Ibrahimovic who really could be one of these championships absolute biggest stars.He always had all the talent in the world,now he has the necessary eperience as well.
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Old 12-03-2005, 03:45 PM
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Nigeria go through managers at a rate of more than one a year. The talent gets snapped up and sent overseas and the European clubs that buy them generally show very little patience with them.

I think that you'll see more African talent playing in Morrocco or Egypt instead of going to Europe. European clubs are awfully annoyed that the African Nations Cup is every two years and they lose their players for six or seven weeks (don't blame them...hope Charleroi win their court case...)
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Old 12-03-2005, 10:00 PM
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Shawn - If Charleroi wins that case, it will be the end of the world cup, euro championships, copa america and all other national team tournaments as we know them. World cup would probably go back to 16 teams for all the rich teams that can afford the insurance policies and the rest will end up playing in tiered tournaments like the IIHF does. Not that that is such a bad thing, but the WC would mean a lot less, even with the increated quality of games/competition.
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Old 12-03-2005, 10:05 PM
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Good, personally I don't think it's that tough to make it out of Europe when the 3rd place team at the last WC and the euro champs are in the same group. We're basically taking two teams which are quite fortunate to have achieved their feats and suddenly making them look like the deserved few that didn't make the WC because that's how tough the competition was.

It's true, the groups were tough, that's the luck of the draw. Look at England, they were the sole quality team in their group - how lucky is that? Qualifying was a peace of cake.

In my eyes Romania deserved to go through because they are a solid outfit ripe with skill throughout the squad. They were truly unlucky not to go through. But Turkey? I think we're underestimating the Swiss a bit here. They are a tough team nowadays. Plus Turkey failed to deliver the last time around and failed to qualify for the WC after being drawn with... European soccer power-house... the great and mighty... Latvia.

As for the Greeks, I've always claimed that their win at the Euro Champs was one of the biggest flukes in the history of this competition. I think they had exactly three shots on target in their last three matches (final, semis, and quarters) making that one shot per game and still managed to win. If we're to talk about unlucky then let's look at the Italians, who were the only unbeaten team in the competition and still went home empty-handed.
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