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Old 11-30-2005, 01:48 AM
Hartley Hartley is offline
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Default How they can make Harness Racing more popular

2 things

1- If a horse breaks before the start either have a mandatory recall or declare the horse scratched for betting purposes. Nothing turns people off of harness racing more than a horse breaking before the start making their wagers almost impossible to win from the get go. It's also the one thing that makes bettors think the races are fixed.

2- Have races go different distances. In Europe and Australia they often have races 1 1/2 miles or 1 3/4 miles as well as a few at 6 furlongs. Why is every race 1 mile in North America.

Just a couple of suggestions.
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Old 11-30-2005, 02:15 AM
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Hartley, who is listening to this?



Make it mandatory that every horse laying 3rd on the wood pull and go 1st over, so the public can see the horse try instead of-------------sit, get boxed, then shuffled right out. Then the story goes---play him next week from the rail @ get 3-5 on my money......Thats great for the gambling dollar.....In the Gypsie game, you can really read the board to get winners.But is it really fun hitting a 10.20 exacta? Or betting a horse to win that pays 4.00. I did that for 10-15 years ago when the game was real good......

Oh if Mike Gagliardi was still alive today.......If Seatrain was still racing. George S and Tuff Choice would do battle. Cam Fella would charge down the lane......The great Hap Lobell was the 1st horse to crack the last quarter at the Meadowlands at 26.1 from last to 1st with the dishwasher Billy Odonell. Docs Fella ran his heart every saturday nite at Yonkers or Roosevelt. Walter Paisley flew in from Chicago to get the money. Walter Case jr. wins his 1st race at I think 18 or 19 at the Meadowlands, only to see his career end here in Ohio as he stabbed his wife and is laying in the slammer today for a few good years.

Benny Webster going 31.3 in the 3rd quarter of a 300,000 dollar race @ everybody sits indian file. Tommy Devitis and the Bonnie Devitis claim a horse by the name of Chief Estates for 20,000 and win3,4 or even 5 in row and play the claiming game, then he gets claimed for 80,000 dollars to his new owners and dies that same nite..Bonny and Tommy were never in the game after that. Raging Richie Silverman goes right to the top with numerous horses and everybody sits indian file...

Where are you today?

Herve Fillion
Elden Harner
Eldo Leonelli
Gilles Gendron----( Freestate Raceway--Laurel,MD)
Archie McNeil------Champagne Lobell-------a fricken monster
Rheo Fillion
Sam Belote
The Lineweavers
All the TRUITTS--------Wayne,Lynn,etc----------------MD.
Linda Mcnatt
Harold Kelly
Eddie Davis
Marvin Maker
Slyl Decample
James Groff
Vernon Crank---dead
Dave Elliott
Steve Elliott
Eddie Sager
Dale Daniels
Tom Sells
Mickey Mcnichol
Jim Dougherty
Sonny Patterson jr.
Eddie Loymeyer
Ray Remmen
Doug Brown
Terry Tomlin
Pat Crowe
Sandy my man Levy
Bucky Day
Dennis LaRochelle
Herb Coven jr. ( this guy would ship from Lebanon, ohio to the Meadowlands and get the job done)
Sam Beagle
Joe Schwind



The game has died.....It is time for the game to stay in Canada..........................................


The good old days...............Nothing better than having Johnny rock n roll Campbell coming down the lane at 10-1 to get em all......

Silver Dollar
Whip It Wood


Never again in the trots for me. Now I put all my money,efforts, and knowledge into the flats ALL day long.
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Old 11-30-2005, 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Hartley
2 things

1- If a horse breaks before the start either have a mandatory recall or declare the horse scratched for betting purposes. Nothing turns people off of harness racing more than a horse breaking before the start making their wagers almost impossible to win from the get go. It's also the one thing that makes bettors think the races are fixed.

2- Have races go different distances. In Europe and Australia they often have races 1 1/2 miles or 1 3/4 miles as well as a few at 6 furlongs. Why is every race 1 mile in North America.

Just a couple of suggestions.
the first rule was around forever.i think they decided if you break during the race you lose why not before the start.if a horse breaks due to interference or equiptment it is a recall...pompano ran alot of shorter races races one year a long time ago.there used to be many big races at longer distances and yonkers has a steady diet of longer races and you see how much that has helped.the flats are dead at the meadowlands and the trotters still due well.
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Old 11-30-2005, 06:12 AM
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Hartley, who is listening to this?



Make it mandatory that every horse laying 3rd on the wood pull and go 1st over, so the public can see the horse try instead of-------------sit, get boxed, then shuffled right out. Then the story goes---play him next week from the rail @ get 3-5 on my money......Thats great for the gambling dollar.....In the Gypsie game, you can really read the board to get winners.But is it really fun hitting a 10.20 exacta? Or betting a horse to win that pays 4.00. I did that for 10-15 years ago when the game was real good......

Oh if Mike Gagliardi was still alive today.......If Seatrain was still racing. George S and Tuff Choice would do battle. Cam Fella would charge down the lane......The great Hap Lobell was the 1st horse to crack the last quarter at the Meadowlands at 26.1 from last to 1st with the dishwasher Billy Odonell. Docs Fella ran his heart every saturday nite at Yonkers or Roosevelt. Walter Paisley flew in from Chicago to get the money. Walter Case jr. wins his 1st race at I think 18 or 19 at the Meadowlands, only to see his career end here in Ohio as he stabbed his wife and is laying in the slammer today for a few good years.

Benny Webster going 31.3 in the 3rd quarter of a 300,000 dollar race @ everybody sits indian file. Tommy Devitis and the Bonnie Devitis claim a horse by the name of Chief Estates for 20,000 and win3,4 or even 5 in row and play the claiming game, then he gets claimed for 80,000 dollars to his new owners and dies that same nite..Bonny and Tommy were never in the game after that. Raging Richie Silverman goes right to the top with numerous horses and everybody sits indian file...

Where are you today?

Herve Fillion
Elden Harner
Eldo Leonelli
Gilles Gendron----( Freestate Raceway--Laurel,MD)
Archie McNeil------Champagne Lobell-------a fricken monster
Rheo Fillion
Sam Belote
The Lineweavers
All the TRUITTS--------Wayne,Lynn,etc----------------MD.
Linda Mcnatt
Harold Kelly
Eddie Davis
Marvin Maker
Slyl Decample
James Groff
Vernon Crank---dead
Dave Elliott
Steve Elliott
Eddie Sager
Dale Daniels
Tom Sells
Mickey Mcnichol
Jim Dougherty
Sonny Patterson jr.
Eddie Loymeyer
Ray Remmen
Doug Brown
Terry Tomlin
Pat Crowe
Sandy my man Levy
Bucky Day
Dennis LaRochelle
Herb Coven jr. ( this guy would ship from Lebanon, ohio to the Meadowlands and get the job done)
Sam Beagle
Joe Schwind



The game has died.....It is time for the game to stay in Canada..........................................


The good old days...............Nothing better than having Johnny rock n roll Campbell coming down the lane at 10-1 to get em all......

Silver Dollar
Whip It Wood


Never again in the trots for me. Now I put all my money,efforts, and knowledge into the flats ALL day long.
i knew sandy levy since he broke into the business.he has been deceased for about 25 years now..a good guy all the way.some on your list are still very active in the business.a very diverse list to say the least.i claimed my first horse from rheo fillion.docs fella was owned by danny kramer of kosher betting fame.there is a great roosevelt raceway site if you google the name in.a touching story of the recent passing of nickawampus leroy is included.i remember his first start.
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:26 PM
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dinque
How long were you in the game ?
i been in the game 7 years alot of ups and downs but it is fun to watch your horse race everyweek.
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:24 AM
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Dinque, Nickawampus Leroy was a horse I think from 1976ish. He use to race on saturday nites and I hear Jackie Lee/Stan Bergstein/ or Spencer Ross calling his name on the replays from 11:30-12:00 minite saturday nites.Maybe you can help me out with the name of the horse that won the Cane Pace in 1978 after most of the horse broke.He paid 36.00-38.00. Tiger Lobell? Dinque theres more horses,names and stories.....How about Lachance Lobell? He turned into a monster once he aged.



Grady, where do you race your horses at? Have you ever thought about the Flats?
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:36 AM
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dinque
How long were you in the game ?
i been in the game 7 years alot of ups and downs but it is fun to watch your horse race everyweek.
i have owned horses for close to 25 years,my first was sexy sister at the meadowlands.only small pieces of mid-level claimers at roosevelt.my best standardbred was happy tyler who had a nice little run at the big m in 1987[i just looked at a picture].very few horses after that.

i have owned pieces of some horses on the delmar,so cal circut and was fortunate enough to have a small piece of star parade,a rags to riches horse just two years ago.none of my other horses ever made money.
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:40 AM
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Dinque, Nickawampus Leroy was a horse I think from 1976ish. He use to race on saturday nites and I hear Jackie Lee/Stan Bergstein/ or Spencer Ross calling his name on the replays from 11:30-12:00 minite saturday nites.Maybe you can help me out with the name of the horse that won the Cane Pace in 1978 after most of the horse broke.He paid 36.00-38.00. Tiger Lobell? Dinque theres more horses,names and stories.....How about Lachance Lobell? He turned into a monster once he aged.



Grady, where do you race your horses at? Have you ever thought about the Flats?
your memory is much better then mine.check out that roosevelt raceway memorial website for alot of old time stories..the only cane i remember is the won where nero won with joe o'brien in the sulky.i have racetrack overload from rarely missing a night..
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:43 AM
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i looked it up and yes armbro tiger did win the 1978 cane pace
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Old 12-01-2005, 01:55 PM
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Dinque, that was the horse Ambro Tiger...The horse was hot coming into the race but according to the experts was outclassed and on the outside.I use to be a groom for Dave Elliot in the early 80's when I was breaking in. I took care of horse that were done for racing Willow Wiper and somebody else. DI's Ruthie Girl was just kicking off. The I worked for a guy for nothing so I can jog in the morning---Jordan Rubin. His name came up big time later on with the Milkshakes at the Meadowlands and is barred today. His sister dates somebody I know today.When I was with Jordan at Showplace farms Sid Moiseiv and Jacky Mo were next store. Jacky was big in the chest. Nice guys. Jacky's grandmother, she may be dead today use to bring us cakes and cookies in the AMSid use to buy me breakfest on occasions.From there I worked for another for nothing that my father new. Robert Figalino. He never won if he ever won. His one groom that worked for him Eddie Crupa was a fricken trip to show what kind of people/fvckups are in the game. Eddie use to send me to the 7/11 to get a quart of OJ, go next store get the vadca with the 6 pack of Buds.No sooner than 5 minutes back with the liquid, the screwdriver mix of the quart was downed in 10 seconds. Eddie would lay on the horses and play games with em. From there I went to a real gypsie that knew how to get over in the race game.Peter Branstatter and his sister Kendra. What a fricken combo in this game. Peter loved down under aged horses to buy for 5,6 thousand and put where they belong. I once jogged a down under for him and Pete said take him around 16 times on the half mile but if he wants to jog more it is ok. Well he doesn't check on me, by the time I got to the 25th lap I was tired and sore from holding back and had to 2 guys help me to get this animal to stop on the track.From there on to the up and coming on the east coast----Freestate Raceway where I worked for Archie Mcneil. I had 2 horses there to groom and race. Your boy Rheo had 5,6,7 horses down there. Archie had me going to Buffalo raceway to take my horse Jack B Gimble who was winless with another groom and his horse. Archie's not driving or coming just calling us on the phone to make sure we see our catch driver---leading driver---Gaston Guindon...Yeah I found him/met him 50 minutes before I go in the 1st in the drivers lounge smokin and playing cards.We chtted and he asks me about the horse. I told he has a heart of gold and like to be on top after making 5 starts. It was a 40,000 dollar pot. Gaston took him to the top from post 6, then my man bled right before the half. He was never the same. A few years later, Jack was racing at Ocean downs for 2,500 claimers.At the end of that meet I took 7 horses to drop off at Canterbury Downs 1st ever standardbred meet. I was the 1st to bring the standardbreds on the grounds there. I flew home the next day and got out of the game and became a salesmen..........At Freestate raceway I became good friends with Abe Stloufis(spelling) kid Mike. The kid at 16 got live info probably twice a week.. He gave me a horse out his barn with Gilles Gendron for the 1st time out of the 9 box that cat hopped and paid 12.40 to win. My roommate and I made enough off of that race, that we did not have to pay for rent,food,gas, or what ever for 4 months. I refused to live like a rat in a tac room. I rented a preety 2 bedroom apartment with my friend from Jersey that was selling commercial insurance............Good experience on my resume in my life......I also have great strorys on the Flat sides as my father was very successful in the late 80's.....in the tri-state area....My father calimed a horse with his partner for 20,000 named Count On Romeo...A race horse all the way. He ran 2nd to Mining one year. Mining's next start was a win in the sprint Breeders cup as a favorite to win by 5,6,7 lengths.Count On Romeo also beat Slew City Slew before he got good. Jorge Chavez when he moved his tac up from Gulfstream rode Romeo in his 1st couple weeks up north. Jorge went to Philly Park to get the win.......We used bugs,veterans,Julie Krone,Chris Antley--poor guy people tried to help him early especially Alan Seewald...........The good old days......
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:11 AM
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Just give me a local track back. Louisville KY. Louisville Downs. RIP..... Its either a drive to the Red Mile or if I really want to go in style, Lebanon LOL.
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:18 PM
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