Thorograph vs Ragozin...what's the difference?

Greedo · 08-03-2003, 03:09 AM

I'm just wondering if there is any actual difference in the two products. As I understand it, any type of "sheets" capture ground loss and wind aided or hurt trips. Any info appreciated.

tzieley · 08-03-2003, 04:02 PM

There is no real difference between the Ragozin Sheets and Thorograph. Both offer good speed figures and such, but if spending $25 per card for TG or $30 for Rags for info is your thing, then knock yourself out.

Here's today's Thorograph sheets for the Jim Dandy at Saratoga today:
http://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/20030801_sar0399r.pdf

tzieley (and I thought the DRF at $5 a pop was a lot)

Holy Bull · 08-03-2003, 04:56 PM

Greedo,

From my point of view, there is very little fundamental difference between the two on a philosophical level. However, the people that actually use them swear by one or the other as if there is a big difference. Package wise I think thorograph puts out a great product, tons of relevent stats on every horse, trainer, jockey to go along with the #'s. I would still never spend $25 on it. Another thing to consider, a lot of big bettors use the sheets which very quickly eliminates a lot of their value.

doctrot · 08-04-2003, 01:33 AM

i wouldn't take that garbage if you gave it to me

Greedo · 08-04-2003, 04:20 AM

thanks for the responses guys. I'm not really thinking about purchasing them on a regular basis or anything, only maybe for the big days. I just wondered if there was a difference in the two products.

The Actuary · 08-04-2003, 01:30 PM

Not much difference,

neither acknowledges pace as a factor,

even though Lenny, recently won a big handicapping tournament by hitting some lone speed bomber, good for him in the post contest interview he came up with a million reasons the animal won except the only one that mattered. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

I used to be a throrograph guy a long, long time ago when JB left Ragozin, they get credit for putting out a comprehensive product, however the power of the PC has proven their numbers are hardly predictive of future races and the voodoo form cycles stuff is vague and subjective enough to keep folks coming back at that exorbitant price.

Greedo, what is it your looking to gain from the product, I'm fairly certain you can find something similar enough elsewhere at a fraction of the price. Even the public info. distributors like BRIS now has a template to generate rag's like sheets from their own numbers.

Take care,
TA

BTW i do find it comical, that come big card time, all of the supposed sharps here(not in the racing forum but in the mess hall) that buy them and then consequently feel they have one up on the rest of the crowd here.

Greedo · 08-04-2003, 03:34 PM

I've never really used them before. Just thought they might be something else to look at (more for fun I suppose than anything else) on the big card days.
Guess I'll stick with the freely available online stuff. thankx for the replys again.

Holy Bull · 08-04-2003, 04:03 PM

One thing Thrograph does do is make their whole cards available the day after the race. Great tool for looking back and seeing what you might have "missed". The day they offer an unlimited d/l subscription at a somewhat reasonable price in a delimted form that I can do something with, I'd jump on it. You definately do get some "exclusive" info as is which I can appreciate but at the price and coming in pdf, there is little value added at a real high price.