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Old 05-12-2003, 01:58 PM
The Actuary The Actuary is offline
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Default An embarassment to horseracing!


The KY stewards should all be replaced immediately, no questions asked.

I have been extremely reluctant to post in reference to Santos and the Derby,

I am a Santos' fan, I am a Tagg fan and I bet the horse to win.

Grenig on Geraldo's show last night said the stewards knew about the report Thursday AM, so they had a complete day and a half to simply review the tape and squash the entire ordeal immediately upon publication. You only need to watch the race a couple times in slo-mo to obviously conclude there was no impropriety. Instead they said it was suspicious and fed into the national sensationalism. I happen to be around quite a few sports/casual racing fans at mom's day and to a person, regardless of what happens next, the derby was obviously soiled.

These people made a decision that contained unbelievably broad implications, it was diametrically wrong, and now it's time for these idiots to be held accountable. Nice fantasy isn't it?


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Old 05-12-2003, 02:25 PM
alysheba88 alysheba88 is offline
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I agree that the real bad guys in this are the KY stewards. I mean we can all speculate after the initial report from the Herald, but they were publicly inferring Santos was guilty. Imagine a judge doing that? Also, they reportedly called Frankel and told him to get EM ready for the Preakness. That to me is mind boggling.

The damage has been done though as the non race player will just go away with the impression that the race was "fixed". The "acquittal" never gets the same coverage that the initial charge does. in any of these cases

They have their own rules down in Kentucky and expect these guys to get raises instead of replaced unfortunately. Convinced more than ever if a KY horse, especially one of the big operations, was the winner their reaction would have been much different.
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Old 05-12-2003, 02:32 PM
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with you guys totally. Its amazing that even now that everyone seriously following this story knows that it is bogus every news report(just saw something on CNN)is still slanting the story in a way that makes Santos sound guilty[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

I don't know if its incompetence on the part of these news orgs. or they just want a big story but either way it is dispicable and the public will forever believe something happend. A terrible injustice and as TA said the K stewards have a lot to answer for here![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]
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Old 05-12-2003, 03:48 PM
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If a guy like me who has nothing to do with the story or investigating allegations into the validity of the story can do something as simple as push play and watch the replay, then I would think that the yellow journalist who set this in motion or the track stewards (at the very least) could do the same before tarnishing the single most important moment in a trainer and jockey's professional career.


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Old 05-12-2003, 04:30 PM
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Old 05-12-2003, 08:54 PM
OscarBarrera OscarBarrera is offline
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Yeah, I think the KY boyz went to the mat on this so everyone would think they are really doing a good , thorough job. You see, now, they can say they are policing everything, even though they are turning a blind eye to the REAL crappola that goes on.

Who would know better than the old Oscar.
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Old 05-13-2003, 10:11 AM
Mr Memory Mr Memory is offline
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Twin villains here: (a) Frank Carlson of the Miami Herald, who
butchered his original post-race interview with Santos, with
disastrous, misinterpreted results, and (b) the KY stews, who
should have phrased their preliminary announcements MUCH
more delicately . . .
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