Another typical loss in an online tournament

[Hartley]

I was all in with AK clubs guy calls me with A-4 offsuit. Flop is AKQ turn is 4 river is 4.

What are the odds of that happening? There were 4 left in the tournament other 2 folded meaning there were 8 cards in the 4 hands, 3 in the flop so 41 cards left in the deck. The chances of 4-4 coming up on the turn and river (his only hope) is 41x40 or 1,640/1. I guarantee you those types of turn, river combos happen far more frequently than that.

[Crony]

Can't count the unseen cards Hartley, you don't know if they had a 4 or not.

Also there are 3 fours left in the deck.

3/45 x 2/44 = 1/15 x 1/22 = 1/330.

Tie other ways for chop pot, runner runner Q or JT.

Q - 3/45 x 2/44 = another 1/330
JT - 8/45 x 4/44 = 1.62%.



Lost with AA vs AJ on a 952 flop the other day.
And T4 vs J9 on a TT9 flop.

Part of the game.

[niltes]

i had a similiar beat in live poker.
3 handed, very agressive game and a decent limit too.

ace jack off
ace 10 off
me pocket jacks

capped before the flop

flop ace jack blank (suits were never in play)

capped on the flop

turn queen
3 bets on the turn

river king
1 bet on the river by the person who had CALLED the previous 11 bets

very sweet
worse than that it got her even, off tilt, and she quit 3 hands later.
a very, very bad beat

[Hartley]

Good point niltes. I remember once playing a live tournament had A diamonds Ace Hearts bet 2x big blind all fold to big blind who moves to put me all in I call. He shows 10-J clubs. Flop is A clubs can't recall the other 2 but something like 4 diamonds, 5 spades. Turn was a club, river was a club, nothing paired and I bust out.

When that happened I just cursed but realized it's part of the game. But when it happens online there's just a different feeling about it for some reason.

[niltes]

we always notice when an opponent does something stupid and gets rewarded, especially when it's to our detriment. what we don't see is ALL the
times our opponent does something stupid and does NOT get rewarded, so we
win a bigger pot than we should of. if you can keep on inducing your opponents into errors and avoid making mistakes on your own, the extra
chips you win with the best hands more than offsets the ridiculous beats that one endures. another way of stating this, is the most important thing is not how much you win with your winning hands, but how much you save or how little you lose with your losing hands.

[rayray]

i am not kidding when i say this... sometimes while playing on fulltilt, if i need a helpful river card to make my hand, i will play donkey and call a weak turn raise. you just see so many damn river suckouts these days. there is noway this shit is as random as it used to be. big raise, no. small raise, hell yeah. i really believe you gotta make those stupid calls sometimes because of the software.

[drunkguy]

Originally Posted by niltes

we always notice when an opponent does something stupid and gets rewarded, especially when it's to our detriment. what we don't see is ALL the
times our opponent does something stupid and does NOT get rewarded, so we
win a bigger pot than we should of. if you can keep on inducing your opponents into errors and avoid making mistakes on your own, the extra
chips you win with the best hands more than offsets the ridiculous beats that one endures. another way of stating this, is the most important thing is not how much you win with your winning hands, but how much you save or how little you lose with your losing hands.

exactly


good players catch bad beats much more often than bad players, because good players are usually ahead in the hand

it's painful at the time, but like you say, a fool and his money are soon parted, bad beats notwithstanding

[KingKilla]

Don't you guys think that playing online games is a bit odd since you can be tricked at any time? that is why those guys make so much cash, out of dumbs like US!!! I stopped playing a couple of months ago when I lost nearly 7K

[niltes]

the cheating online is rampant.
for your bankroll to survive or grow from
cash games in online poker, you better be
a cheater or a rounder. that being said, there
probably is still some equity in big tournaments,
bonus whoring, and free rolls.

[Crony]

Editing my above post due to moronlike analysis:



2/45 x 1/44 = 1/22.5 x 1/44 = 1/990.

Tie/other ways for chop pot, runner runner Q or JT.

Q - 3/45 x 2/44 = 1/330
JT - 8/45 x 4/44 = 1.62%.

[PSYCOTINE]

would be really cool to get a real, honest game on the internet. But by now we all should know thats not gonna happen anywhere..............

[niltes]

one of my friends suggested that to keep games fair on the internet,
everyone MUST use a webcam. although i can think of a few ways around
that and i don't even have a devious mind.

[RaisinCapital]

AcKc vs A4 AKQ
97.58% win
2.12% tie
.3% loss

AKQ 4

95.45% win

[RaisinCapital]

I took a horrible beat a couple months ago ...

Big stakes, live game, Limit, Kill

UTG I raise with JJ
Both blinds call (drunk mexican, old asian) then killer calls
flop is J62 rainbow
check, check, I bet, fold, fold, call w AQ(old asian) (7/1 pot odds)(11/1 implied) Although he was 24/1 to win at that point (7% negative equity on the flop is tough.
Turn 10
He's now 11/1 and getting even equity on his previous implied odds, but he's one step behind me and now getting little less that 10% negative equity.
River K of course
Fukker bets into me... call reluctantly

[RaisinCapital]

I only lost 3.5 big bets on that hand, but created some negative energy, and then my cards were cold for the following week or so.

[analyzer]

Crony, there are other ways to chop.

Case A, plus another Q.

Case A, plus another K.

[analyzer]

Right before Doyles room kicked the Americans off, last february, they ran some huge bonuses. One was a 24 hour marathon... if you finished in the Money, of any 3 consecutive tournaments with at least 100 players, (so top 18 in that instance) you win a 10k bonus.

I had finished in the money of 2 consecutive tournies, was down to 25 players in the 3rd, I was sitting on about 50k in chips, and could darn near chip off and make the money... I was dealt AK got all in against the only bigger stack on my table... I know, it was stupid... I was in the BB, and thought he was stealing from the button... regardless, he had AQ, flopped a king, thought I was gonna pull down the tourny, and an extra 10k... turn and river Q Q. Just like yours. ugggh.