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Old 12-30-2006, 12:01 AM
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UFC 66 - Las Vegas, Nevada: UFC Heavyweight
Sat 12/30 Andrei Arlovski vs Marcio Cruz
08:00 PM 207 Andrei Arlovski -481
208 Marcio Cruz +441

Sat 12/30 Gabriel Gonzaga vs Carmelo Marrero
08:00 PM 209 Gabriel Gonzaga -306
210 Carmelo Marrero +276

Sat 12/30 Christian Wellisch vs Anthony Perosh
08:00 PM 211 Christian Wellisch -156
212 Anthony Perosh +146

UFC 66 - Las Vegas, Nevada: UFC Light Heavyweight Championship
Sat 12/30 Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz
08:00 PM 201 Chuck Liddell -235
202 Tito Ortiz +215

Sat 12/30 Forrest Griffin vs Keith Jardine
08:00 PM 203 Forrest Griffin -306
204 Keith Jardine +276

Sat 12/30 Michael Bisping vs Eric Schafer
08:00 PM 205 Michael Bisping -441
206 Eric Schafer +401

UFC 66 - Las Vegas, Nevada: UFC Middleweight
Sat 12/30 Yushin Okami vs Rory Singer
08:00 PM 213 Yushin Okami -441
214 Rory Singer +401

Sat 12/30 Chris Leben vs Jason MacDonald
08:00 PM 217 Chris Leben -181
218 Jason MacDonald +171

UFC 66 - Las Vegas, Nevada: UFC Welterweight
Sat 12/30 Thiago Alves vs Tony DeSouza
08:00 PM 215 Thiago Alves -116
216 Tony DeSouza +106
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Old 12-30-2006, 12:02 AM
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I am thinking Tito is woth a shot at +215

he can't go toe-to-toe with Lidell, but might be able to keep it on the groiund where he should have an advantage
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Old 12-30-2006, 12:04 AM
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I see we also have some PRIDE and K1 fighting tomorrow night
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Old 12-30-2006, 06:36 AM
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I wonder if we can get Oddessa in here?

I see on his forum that he opened Griifin -200 so he is playing Jardine

also sounds like he is playing MacDonald
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Old 12-30-2006, 12:30 PM
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I am going with Tito, Macdonald and Desouza. Best value on the board for me.
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Old 12-30-2006, 01:40 PM
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Default UFC 66 - December 30th

LOOKING AT UFC 66
by Buck Woodward @ 11:17:00 PM on 12/29/2006

UFC 66: LIDDELL-ORTIZ II
December 30, 2006
MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada

Light Heavyweight Champion Chuck Liddell (19-3-0) vs. Tito Ortiz (15-4-0)
Liddell Last UFC Appearance: August 26, 2006 - Defeated Renato Sobral at 1:35 of the first round.
Ortiz Last UFC Appearance: October 10, 2006 - Defeated Ken Shamrock at 2:23 of the first round.
Past Fights: April 2, 2004 - Liddell defeated Ortiz at 38 seconds of the second round at UFC 47.

Probably the most hyped fight since Liddell vs. Couture, UFC is expecting this main event to draw their biggest PPV buyrate to date. Certainly, it involves two very popular figures in MMA, and is a rematch (and as we have learned, UFC loves pushing rematches). However, I hate to burst the bubble here, but there's a bit of "smoke and mirrors" going on here. For starters, let's look at the line (repeated often in UFC commercials) that Tito has won all five of his fights since losing to Liddell in April of 2004. That is true, but look at the actual fights. He beat Patrick Cote via unanimous decision in October of 2004, then beat Vitor Belfort via split decision in February 2005. His three fights in 2006 were the two Shamrock slayings, and the controversial split decision over Forrest Griffin, which many feel should have gone to Griffin.

Tito has only been able to stop a past-his-prime Ken Shamrock, and two of his decision wins could have easily gone the other way. Compare that to Liddell, who has beat Vernon White, Randy Couture (twice), Jeremy Horn, and Renato Sobral since besting Ortiz. Three of those fights ended in the first round, and only one, Horn, made it past the second (ending in TKO in the fourth). I have to laugh at people who say "We don't know if Chuck can go five rounds". The reason we don't know is because Chuck has won all of his fights via knockout or TKO! It reminds me of Mike Tyson's prime, where everyone talked about how "Tyson can't go five rounds" and the response from his fans was always "Because he doesn't have to!" For Ortiz to have a chance, he has to take Liddell to the mat, and if Randy Couture couldn't do it, I don't think Tito can. I see Liddell using strikes to end this early. Tito might last one round, but he won't get that takedown, and then it is just a matter of Liddell landing that big punch. And he will.

Heavyweights: Andrei Arlovski (11-5-0) vs. Marcio Cruz (2-1-0)
Arlovski Last UFC Appearance: July 8, 2006 - Lost to Tim Sylvia via unanimous decision after five rounds.
Cruz Last UFC Appearance: April 15, 2006 - Lost to Jeff Monson via split decision.

If Arlovski has shaken off his two defeats to Tim Sylvia, then he should dominate here. Cruz has great jiu-jitsu, but Arlovski is just a well-rounded monster with training in boxing, Muay Thai, kickboxing, Sambo, and yes, jiu-jitsu. Cruz defeated Frank Mir, but Mir ain't what he used to be, and if Jeff Monson could get a decision win over him, then Arlovski should be able to do the same. However, on paper, Arlovski should end this early in the first round (again, if he has shaken off the Sylvia losses). This is Arlovski's chance to get back in contention and I think he'll make the most of it.

Light Heavyweights: Forrest Griffin (13-3-0) vs. Keith Jardine (11-3-1)
Griffin Last UFC Appearance: August 26, 2006 - Defeated Stephan Bonnar via unanimous decision.
Jardine Last UFC Appearance: June 24, 2006 - Defeated Wilson Gouveia via unanimous decision.

Two fighters who have had very similar career paths lately, rebounding from their only UFC loss with a win. Griffin lost (some would say he was robbed) against Tito Ortiz in April, but he came back from that fight to defeat Stephan Bonnar in August. Jardine lost (some would say he was robbed) against Bonnar in April, but then defeated Wilson Gouveia in June. This has all the potential to be the fight of the night. Both have a good ground game, but look for them to stand toe-to-toe and slug it out. This could easily go three rounds, with both men just pounding each other into bloody pulps. However, I think Griffin will pull it out, perhaps in the third round with a TKO. Right now, he is just a little bit better than Jardine across the board.

Middleweights: Chris Leben (15-2-0) vs. Jason MacDonald (17-7-0)
Leben Last UFC Appearance: August 17, 2006 - Defeated Jorge Santiago via knockout at 35 seconds of the second round.
MacDonald Last UFC Appearance: October 10, 2006 - Defeated Ed Herman via submission at 2:43 of the first round with a Triangle Choke.

MacDonald is looking to become "The Ultimate Fighter Killer", having convincingly stopped Ed Herman in October, he is now moving on to Season One favorite Chris Leben. Leben scored a win over Jorge Santiago, but the memories if him being destroyed by Anderson Silva in under a minute is still fresh in the minds of many. Leben is going to want to throw strikes and end this early, while MacDonald is going to want to bring it to the mat. Unless Leben lands a big shot early, I think MacDonald will take him down and eventually get a submission either late in the first or early in the second round.

Light Heavyweights: Michael Bisping (11-0-0) vs. Eric Schafer (9-1-2)
Bisping Last UFC Appearance: June 24, 2006 - Defeated Josh Haynes via knockout at 4:14 of the second round.
Schafer Last UFC Appearance: August 26, 2006 - Defeated Rob MacDonald via submission with a arm triangle at 2:26 of the first round.

All of the Visa problems have finally been worked out, and Bisping will return to the Octagon for the first time since his Ultimate Fighter championship victory. Obviously, Bisping has been waiting months for this fight now. Schafer, who has been his scheduled opponent all along, has also had to deal with the delays while waiting for his second UFC fight. Schafer has a great ground game with his jiu-jitsu skills, but Bisping has shown he is no slouch on the mat either. The feeling is that Bisping can go with Schafer on the mat, but Schafer won't be able to match up when Bisping starts throwing punches. I look for Bisping to knockout Schafer standing in the first round, unless Schafer is able to take it down early. However, even if they go to the mat, I expect it will just prolong the inevitable Bisping win.

Non-Televised Fights:
Welterweights: Tony DeSouza (9-2-0) vs. Thiago Alves (15-4-0).
Heavyweights: Carmelo Marrero (5-0-0) vs. Gabriel Gonzaga (6-1-0).
Heavyweights Anthony Perosh (5-2-0) vs. Christian Wellisch (7-2-0).
Middleweights: Rory Singer (11-5-0) vs. Yushin Okami (18-3-0).
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I just can't see Tito being able to handle Chuck. Unless, there's a fix on this one. Tito wins and sets up Liddell/Ortiz 3.
You know there's going to be GSP/Hughes 3. Dana luvs this stuff.
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Pinny begging for Cruz money

+516 on Cruz vs -500 on Arlovski in the rest of the world
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: drunkguy

Pinny begging for Cruz money



+516 on Cruz vs -500 on Arlovski in the rest of the world</end quote></div>

does Cruz have any shot at all??
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Old 12-30-2006, 03:47 PM
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PLayed MacDonald +160 and Jardine +260
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: drunkguy

PLayed MacDonald +160 and Jardine +260</end quote></div>

I agree, those 2 have a legitimate shot!!
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Old 12-30-2006, 04:08 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: seventytoo

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: drunkguy



Pinny begging for Cruz money







+516 on Cruz vs -500 on Arlovski in the rest of the world</end quote></div>

doesn;t seem like it

IMO when pinnacle leaves "scalps" out there they are usually going to be on the winning side

they are begging people to bet on cruz, meaning they are leaning strongly towards Arlovski

although I am not laying -500 ever in MMA



does Cruz have any shot at all??</end quote></div>
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Old 12-30-2006, 11:35 PM
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im gonna bet cruz a small one, after watching orlovski fight silvia twice (2nd time they looked like little girls). he might very well come out and end it instantly but at -500 he is supposed to. on the other hand hes fighting a guy who went the distance woth jeff m. If jeff M. can put up a good enough fight that im sure if his arms werea couple inches longer would have no problem with sylvia, then this vicious circle tells me +500 is all good. I was on the sylvia train when he snaked the belt from orlovski. i was on the wrong train when they fought the 2nd time. Hopefully im on the right train here, i would have gone +400 if thats where it started.

other then that i wont touch lidell ortiz odds are well balanced for what will likely be otriz coming in hot after beating poor ole shamrock3 in row and then get whats coming.....Hey i beat my wife easy in tennis every time, im gonna go play pete sampras now.

add mcdonald , i got no love for tv reality stars, prove it where it counts first.

add jardine and who knows, i might lose every bet again like i did last ufc :-)

either way i LOVE THIS SHIT, weather i get taken or not im always outa my chair
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Old 12-31-2006, 02:17 AM
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Nice call on MacDonald
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