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Old 06-28-2003, 05:12 PM
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Default My BIG problem with the UFC

From: Odessa
Date: 28-Jun-03 02:07 PM
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This is the reason why I am disgusted with the UFC.
A couple years ago I received a cease and desist letter from the UFC's lawyers over the use of images at the former BetUFC. They felt I broke their trademark rule. Totally understandable.

I wanted to make sure I had a copy of the letter before I mentioned this thing that isn't sitting well with me. At the end of the letter they made a statement like this.

[You know how law enforcement frowns upon the type of business you are in (gambling) so I know you will adhere to our demands.]

Now, there is much more but I will hold off. How do you interpret that? A threat? Are you gonna 'tell' on me? Are you infering that you would be a 'RAT' if not getting your way? Is it blackmail?

Here's the bottom line. I don't give a shit now. Call J Edgar Hoover. I did nothing wrong. And furthermore I despise your hypocritical nature. You devote the beginning of the PPV to talking about gambling odds on the UFC. The odds you refer to, were mine! The quotes that were made on your broadcast about 'where the heavy money was going.' They were from my mouth you morons. I spoke to your rep 2 hours before and he took notes. In fact, I have emails to back it up from the horses mouth. How dumb do you feel now MR UFC? Shoulda done your homework. I MAKE 99% OF MMA ODDS THAT EVERY CASINO PUTS UP! I MAKE 90% of the boxing odds that the PLANET uses. The action you said the Hard Rock was getting. Was the action I was getting on the fights. I never really had a BIG problem with that untill now. I don't like hypocrites, nor do I take well to threatening letters from lawyers, or censorship.

All I was looking to do was sponsor like 3 fighters in the next UFC and possibly an entire team. No tattoos, no on air plugs, simply tshirts, hats, and things like that. And DECENT cash for the fighters training expenses.

Now I would like to here some opinions. ESPECIALLY FROM THE FIGHTERS.

I am posting this at a few sites, just in case this thread pulls a HOUDINI like yesterday.

If you want to delete this or fire back, do your homework boys. I have been letting this build up since UFC 39.

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Old 06-28-2003, 06:39 PM
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I'll always love the UFC, few things in life are as interesting or compelling to watch.

But the company that runs it has some fukkin brain damage. $175K for Rizzo and $150K for Tank while many other fighters aren't making shit is a travesty.
Nothing Zuffa could do would suprise me, they'd be better off with a team of monkeys running the show.
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Old 06-28-2003, 08:56 PM
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Your post seems quite reasonable to me Odessa.

Could one of you gentleman explain Station Casino's connection (if any) to the UFC?

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." H.L. Mencken
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Old 06-29-2003, 04:47 PM
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I feel you pain....

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Old 06-29-2003, 09:19 PM
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In 1993, Bob Meyrowitz and his New York-based Sephamore Entertainment Group (SEG), in association with Art Davie and Rorian Gracie, created the UFC. SEG took full control in 1994 and guided the organization until the end of 2000. Zuffa, LLC (Zuffa), a Nevada limited liability corporation owned by Lorenzo Fertitta and his brother, Frank Fertitta, III, acquired the assets of the UFC in January 2001.

Lorenzo Fertitta serves as the president of Station Casinos, Inc. (NYSE: STN) and chief executive officer (CEO) of Fertitta Enterprises, Inc., an investment management company dealing with securities and real estate. A former vice chairman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, Fertitta received his MBA from the Stern School of Business at New York University (NYU).

Frank Fertitta, III is chairman of the board and CEO of Station Casinos, Inc. He expanded Station Casinos into the fifth largest publicly traded gaming company, with more than $1 billion in revenue and $300 million in cash flow. In 1999, Casino Executive Magazine named Fertitta “Hotelier of the Year” and Station Casinos was named “Company of the Year.”

Zuffa’s management team includes UFC President Dana White, owner and president of Dana White Enterprises and former manager and trainer for various boxing and MMA competitors. Vice President and Chief Operating Officer Bernie Dillon, the owner and president of Dillon Productions, has promoted and produced ESPN, HBO and Showtime boxing events. Also highlighting the management team is James Werme, UFC’s vice president of production and a producer of more than 30 UFC events worldwide, as well as Vice President of Talent Relations Joe Silva, who has been with the UFC since 1993.
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Old 07-02-2003, 04:36 PM
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From the other site. And like they are really gonna take a big bet on the UFC?

Taking a stand
6/30/03 - Stephen Nover

Donnie Bader, who has been a betting fixture around Las Vegas for ages, can often be found at the Palace Station race book.

That was up until the recent Belmont Stakes race.

Bader went to Palace Station the morning of the race to make an $80 house Quinella wager on Empire Maker and Funny Cide.

"They told me the most I could get down was $20," Bader said.

Having bet there for 20 years, Bader didn't think he was hearing the clerk correctly. Race books in Nevada have been lowering their house "Q" bets and have a payout cap in the 200/1 range. But limiting anyone to $20, especially a long-standing customer, seems outrageous.

"I used to make $100 'Q's' there and $200 'Q's' there," Bader said.

So Bader went back to Palace Station in the afternoon to try and make his $80 Quinella wager again.

"They told me, 'sorry Donnie but that's Sports Book Director Art Manteris’ rules.'" Bader said. "So I told them I'm never playing there again."

Bader, who has worked at several Las Vegas sports books and can often be heard as a guest on local sports talk shows, has since taken his business to Coast hotels. He said several other disgruntled horse bettors have followed suit.

It would be nice for some bookmakers in Las Vegas if every horse racing wager were pari-mutuel instead of just 99 percent. But sometimes the book should actually have to stand up and take a bet.

By the way, Bader would have lost his wager.

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