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Old 04-21-2003, 04:46 AM
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Default FORREST v MAYORGA II & JUDAH v CORLEY

2 Great fights if they go off as planned. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] (From www.TheGREEK.com)

7/12/2003 10:00 PM Ricardo Mayorga vs Vernon Forrest II
151 Ricardo Mayorga +220
152 Vernon Forrest -300
7/12/2003 10:00 PM Ricardo Mayorga vs Vernon Forrest fight will go
153 Over 10 rounds -120
154 Under 10 rounds -120


7/12/2003 10:00 PM Zab Judah vs Demarcus Corley
201 Zab Judah -300
202 Demarcus Corley +220
7/12/2003 10:00 PM Zab Judah vs Demarcus Corley fight will go
203 Over 9Ĺ rounds -200
204 Under 9Ĺ rounds +160
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Old 05-08-2003, 04:02 AM
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I might bet both underdogs although some people must have bet the Corley line down a little bit. Judah and Forrest both have no chins. I am very convinced that 1 of them will be upset. Not to mention that Mayorga has the psychological advantage over Forrest. He knows that he can take Forrest's punch, but Forrest CAN'T take his!! At +275 I consider Mayroga a steal (even if he losses). It doesn't always apply but usually whoever wins the first fight wins the 2nd fight easier.
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Old 05-08-2003, 06:13 PM
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Corely has taken somemoney so far. Anytime I can grab a big puncher at plus money, I usually do, butsomehow the bookmakers seem to make yje big punchers the favs.........................aka TUA. And you can get rich betting against that bum. LOL.
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Old 05-21-2003, 08:40 PM
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Ricardo Mayorga Promises Shorter Fight in Rematch With Vernon Forrest

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Ricardo Mayorga needed only three rounds to knock out Vernon Forrest the last time they met. He expects the rematch to be even shorter.

"He is going down. I am hungrier for this fight than I have ever been," Mayorga said Tuesday. "I invite everybody to come out and watch two great rounds of boxing."

Mayorga will defend his WBA and WBC 147-pound titles July 12 against Forrest, who was unbeaten and coming off of two big wins over Shane Mosley when Mayorga stopped him in the third round Jan. 25.

The free-spirited Mayorga was a 6-1 underdog but turned the fight into a brawl in the third round and landed a big right hand that ended the fight.

To celebrate, the Nicaraguan fighter smoked a cigarette in the ring and then went to have a few beers.

"I am a super champion and I am super crazy," Mayorga said.

Mayorga (24-3-1, 22 knockouts) made the comments at a press conference to announce the fight at the Orleans hotel-casino. Forrest (35-1) was a no-show, as was promoter Don King, who went with Mayorga to Nicaragua to celebrate after he beat Forrest.
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Old 06-10-2003, 08:47 AM
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At those odds how can anyone not take mayorga? Or more to the point how could anyone bet on forest at -300
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Old 07-07-2003, 10:13 PM
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I have been following these two fights with great interest. Mayorga @ 5-2 does not seem to represent great value. I see Forrest back in training hard and quiet which makes him attractive but not great at -250.

The fight i am more interested is Corley v Judah. There is bad blood between these two due to a cheap shot from Zab in Philadelphia, plus the usual back and forth verbal before a big fight. Judah has been quiet of late though not saying much which I like as it represents he is focussed. Corley would have you believe Judah is quiet because he is scared but I dont believe so. Also both fighters desperately need a win here in order to lay claim to a showdown with Kostya Tzsyu. All this adds up to is that bettors will be able to witness a DON KING fight where both fighters are actually trying! I see Zab's obvious speed as his main weapon however he has spent some time out of the ring and may lack the neccessary power to knock Corley out. Along with this, Corleys equivalent lack of speed will not allow him to hit Judah as many times as he needs to knock him out but may provide him with an edge in points should he be able to counter Zab's speed.

I would have to say looking around at the markets that I consider Corley to be value at anything over 2-1. (which is still available but i believe dropping) The total of this fight is a well deserved 11.5 as both fighters are fit enough to take a punch and recover and a probable and perceived lack of power to end it in a knock out. All in all nothing outrageous in the market with both fights being generally priced effectively. I would like to point out that PINNACLE seems to be taking an exceptional risk in this fight, allowing punters to bet Corley by Decision @ +950.

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Old 07-07-2003, 11:26 PM
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I disagree about the Judah-Corley fight. The chances that they see round 12 is very small. Both guys are fast and hit hard. Judah a little better in both areas. Corley has a better chin but has suspect stamina. He had to take a knee 2 times the first time that he fought Ener Julio. He doesn't take pressure well. Judah's chin is his biggest weakness. If Corley taps it (cleanly), Judah is going to hit the canvas. Judah has been dropped by Jan Bergman and Terron Millett. Then he was stopped by Tszyu. Nothing wrong with being stopped by Tszyu but being dropped by Bergman and Millett shows a definate chin problem. When you take all of there strengths and weakness's into consideration I think the fight ends before 12. The ONLY way it goes 12 is if both guys are ultra cautious and fight like bitches. Even then someone may get caught.
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Old 07-08-2003, 01:31 AM
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Thanks for your response Val. I can see you will be betting under the 11.5
I will re-iterate though that the odds on Corley by decision are IMO too big. I make Corley by decision only a 6-1 chance. I certainly cant recall Corley going to the canvas against Julio but I do remember him putting Ener down twice! Perhaps you are talking about the fight four years ago but both fighters are vastly different from that encounter. I like the way Corley danced his way to victory in the second fight, constantly counter punching. In my view, I believe he will take a similar style into the Judah fight. Judah will come after him and Corley will counter. Both will run a fair bit and this should tire them enough to take away from their ability to throw big shots providing they get through the first two rounds which i can see being hectic due to the animosity between the fighters. If it pans this way then the decision is not so clear cut and odds of almost 10-1 seems high. I can appreciate that the linesmaker at Pinnacle would like to lay bets on this as it is certainly the least favoured outcome, ie underdog by decision however I believe these prices are well over EV and will come down by game day.
Once again thanks for your honest assessment...
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Old 07-10-2003, 04:10 AM
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After thinking about it some more forest will wn the rematch. It will be a much different fight then the first..
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Old 07-11-2003, 05:31 PM
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I haven't pulled the trigger on this one yet (Judah/Corely) but will get something on it because I'll be there.
I lean 'under', hoping emotions take over and we get fury and a fast pace.
On the other hand, both are natural counterpunchers, and the under is less desirable when you put two counterpunchers together, too much time lost dancing, hesitating, waiting for the other guy to move.

I will have a few bucks on the dog. I am not impressed by Zab (or his brother). And anytime he is in with a fighter who has a chance (and Corley has a good chance) I will go against him, if for nothing more than his sore loser act vs. Tszyu. Trust me, TV did not capture the whole thing.

To be a succesfull champ you have to be either
A) - loved, so people will buy tickets to see you kick ass
or
B) - hated, so people will buy tickets in hopes of seeing you get your ass kicked.

Zab's performance after the fight with Kostya assured him a permanent spot in category B in my book (although I really don't ever pay for my seats).
(And wasn't the 'jig' he did when he tried to stand up after Tszyu tagged him a beautiful thing?)............
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Old 07-11-2003, 06:53 PM
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Isn't Mayorga a live dog?

Pretty steep price on Forrest, a guy who I consider maybe slightly above average?

What's the thought? That he is actually good enough to have learned from the first fight?

I dunno, getting knocked out by a guy, IMHO the thought of it happening again is always there and can either produce too much flinching, or worse yet, deer in the headlights effect,

He's been running his mouth almost monthly since the last fight, I'd like to know if he's been running as much to get in shape?
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