Las Vegas Sporting News

[Johnny Detroit]

This is from LVSN-

A new Internet sportsbook called Camelot Sportsbook has opened in Belize, the tiny Central American nation formerly known as British Honduras.

Doesn't the owner of this new book know that "Camelot" is the name of a movie and a Broadway show and hence a trademarked name?

Or doesn't the owner care?

Holders of trademarked names are going after online sportsbooks and casinos that steal those trademarks, and the record so far in the courtroom has favored the trademark-holders.

In recent months, Internet service provider America Online (AOL) has sued an online casino called AOL Casino, Nevada casino giant Circus Circus has sued an online casino called Circus Casino and Las Vegas' Rio Hotel and Casino has sued an Internet sportsbook with the web address betrio.com.

All three lawsuits were successful, as have been others.

Camelot Sportsbook is doomed.

Look for the book to be up to its eyelashes in costly lawsuits once the real owners of the "Camelot" name find out they've been hijacked....

They have something against Camelot to write something like this? I know they try and use their magazine to carry out vendettas. Is this the case?



[This message has been edited by Johnny Detroit (edited 09-05-2001).]

[Mr Memory]

I doubt the name is copyrightable, in that
sense. Copyright details of the Arthurian
legend? I think not.

[Mr Memory]

This, from an outfit associated with a book
previously known as ESBN . . . until
changes were made.

[MarkDel]

Johnny,

Yes, I can verify that the owners of this "publication" have something against Camelot...I am one of the MANY people who Dennis Atiyeh and English Sports Betting did NOT pay several years ago. It's not a lot of money, about $2,200, but I eventually gave up on collecting after the first 37 song & dance routines from Dennis and Company. Personally, I wrote the debt off figuring I got off cheap compared to some of the poor bastards out there, but obviously I have committed the cardinal sin in Atiyeh land...getting stiffed...that means he has to bash me!!!

[CaptainK]

Ridiculous!

Just looked in the Toronto phone book and there are 3 companies operating under the name Camelot. I wonder if these companies are worried about infringing on someone's trademark? Of course not. Anyone know of a land-based Camelot Sportsbook already in operation? Didn't think so.

Who writes this dribble?

[MarkDel]

It's funny, because I actually stated on this forum months ago that I hoped Dennis won his case against the Government because despite what anyone else has against him, nobody deserves the sentence he was facing for a victimless crime...I was wrong...

[MarkDel]

The word "Camelot" cannot be trademarked except for the limited purpose of an individual business. For example, there is a company called "Camelot Records"...they can trademark "Camelot Records" and no other record company could do business by calling themselves "Camelot CDs & Records" for example...but the word itself is now considered "part of the public discourse" and could not be trademarked except within the very limted context of specific businesses or industries. Sorry guys, but I guess I did pay a little attention during those 3 miserable years of law school. You would have thought that in light of Atiyeh's affinity for lawsuits, that he would have had at least one lawyer who could have explained this to him.

[alysheba88]

MarkDel,

At least he didnt say Jackie O's heirs were going to sue you (she was the one who referred to JFK's Presidency as being out of Camelot)

[buckeye]

Does this mean my "Hooters sportsbook" idea is in trouble? I shouldn't reveal all my ideas but I would like to open a "Hooters Casino" in LV, the entryway would put that friggin lion to shame. The idea would be to equip the "dealers" with earplugs so that a "real dealer" could relay the players total to the "dealer" and tel them what to do ( lots of cameras but BIG TIPS ). Have you ever noticed it takes them 3 hours to add up your bill???

I am declaring this idea "patented", so no stealing! Is it true that Camelot employees eat ham and jam and spam a lot? Monty Python might sue next!

[frog]

I think the examples that were used in the article were blatant attempts to rip off someones name. Obviously circus circus or rio could be accused of using the name of a well know land based casino, and the same goes for AOL (arguably one of the most well know names on the internet. But, accused of stealing the name of a Broadway play is absurd.

Is Mark Del trying to trick people into believing that is sportsbook is the online sportsbetting version of a boadway play?

[Minnow]

This guy singles out the word "Camelot", but no mention of NASA or CBS?
Doesn't this guy know that "Jackass" is the trademarked name of a TV show?
Costly lawsuit, coming up..

[Higgysmalls]

Las Vegas Sporting News? Isn't "Sporting News" trademarked? Maybe they should think about getting a lawyer.

[woodpony]

I almost fell for the ESB scam book, because I had a suscription to their mag and thought all would be fine. There is no telling how many people had to eat their money with that book. This was several years ago, I thought the mag was history - guess not.

[Sonny Palermo]

Mark, consider the source and of course you have nothing to be concerned about. The 'article' was 'written' by momma's boy thomassina somach, the watch poodle. This is a guy who still lives in mommys basement, a complete failure who lives a bitter life of jealousy and envy of succesful people like yourself.
Yes, 'Sporting News' is a trademark and yes lvsn was sued for using it but don't expect journalistic integrity and disclosure from a wanna-be like little tommy. He conveniently fails to mention that. Same thing with his article exposing that Football Bettors Guide has been banned by Howard Schwartz at the Gamblers Book Club. He fails to mention that his *hitrag lvsn has also been banned there (as well as in many of the casinos in Vegas, such as Bellagio, Stardust, Mirage, Imperial Palace, Caesers, MGM, ETC.) In the column he even quotes Howard to give the apearance of having actually spoken to him! Of course if you speak to Howard he'll tell ya somach is a loser who he wouldn't give the time of day! As a matter of fact lvsn sent a sales rep in to see if they could get back in the GBC and Howard told me that he told the guy to "fire somach". The salesrep said "if we did would you let us back in"? Howard laughed and said "no, but fire him anyway, he's an a**ho*e ".
MW readers may remember tommygirl from his alias here last year - 'Po'. He came in and offered $10,000 to anyone who could tell him the identity of the secret capper from lvsn, who had a good week in the NFL (the 'capper was, of course, tommygirl himself; it was a lame attempt at self-promotion, a pathetic cry for attention from a loser). Of course the savy posters here smelled a rat and laughed him out the door.
This is where he got the info on Camelot, right here at MW because of your prescence Mark. But he doesn't post up because he knows he'll be laughed at again due to all the no-pay posts about his boss.

tommy - once a loser, always a loser, still waiting to hear from you to make good on those death threats you made against me. I gave ya my phone number, you know how to find me, but for some reason you never call when you come to Vegas.
That's ok pussyboy, one day, you'll turn around, and I'll be standing there, smiling......


[This message has been edited by Sonny Palermo (edited 09-06-2001).]

[cecil]

I live near Camelot apartments...

[BuzzRavanaugh]

I hear the producers of the cult porno movie Came-alot are furious and are interviewing intellectual property law firms right now. LOL!!!!

[Terrible mike]

Sonny is 100% correct in what he says. Somach still lives with mommy some 40 years later and word is his boiler room operation is still going on.

He is Atiyeh's coffee boy....

[MarkDel]

Sonny and Co.,

Thanks for the support. The good news is that I think virtually everyone on the internet forums is aware of what "pond scum" you are dealing with when it comes to the Las Vegas Sporting News.

[jlpblade]

The sad part is that paper used to be a good product when John, Katie, and Jack (Sully) produced it pre-ESBN.

Jeff