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Old 07-27-2001, 05:30 PM
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Default e-banx, Mayan and BoDog situation

Anybody know the story behind these books and the relationship with e-banx?
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Old 07-27-2001, 06:14 PM
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I know a little. Ebanx was/is the financial transaction company (credit card processor, wu, etc.) formed by *********, the founder of Cyberoad. Cyberoad developed the software that Big Book, Mayan and Grand Prix used. Cyberoad went public and Calvin lined his pockets as most IPOs are designed to do. He then started a new company named Esportz and transferred most of Cyberoad's assets to that company and Cyberoad filed BK, leaving the initial investors, employees and shareholders holding worthless stock certificates and promisory notes. Bo Dog is a product of his new company, Esportz, that Cyberoad's assets were transfered to.


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Old 07-27-2001, 06:24 PM
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Mayan has went over to starnet. Grand prix has closed and placed all there customers in Big Book. BoDog is getting ready for a big football season I have talked with Calvin and the above info is not necessarily true.

Oscar-If you can e-mail me I would appreciate it. Krackman33@hotmail.com


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Old 07-27-2001, 07:18 PM
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krackman, I emailed you if you want to discuss privately. I stand behind the above statements 100%.
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Old 07-27-2001, 07:31 PM
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Kman, I have given BoDog a token couple hundred to try their lines and see if I would like to add them for football. Since you have first hand knowlege of Oscar, do you recomend them?
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Old 07-27-2001, 07:35 PM
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Never heard of a slow pay or no pay in the past with his books. I would assume if you play there and win, you will get paid. Would I buy a used car from Calvin? Hell NO.
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Old 07-27-2001, 07:57 PM
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Old 07-28-2001, 02:54 AM
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Here is an email we just recieved from

Go to this page:
<A HREF="http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/srch-edgar" TARGET=_blank>http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/srch-edgar</A>

and type Cyberoad into the search you will get a page with four links on
it. The top on is the last SB-2A filing and you can get a full text copy
quickly by clicking on the text link under format. If you scroll through
this file that has been with the SEC in Washington for over a year you will
find all the details on Cyberoad that anyone could need. This whole thing
is a mater of public record yet guys still persist with these outlandish
allegations. You will see a number of things that prove that what this guy
or whoever started this rumor is saying does not have a clue what they are
talking about.

Though I was an advisor and sold them the concept, I was at no time an
officer or director of this company and I for sure was never a shareholder.
I always suspected this was always just a stock promotion and not a real
business (hence me not wanting to be a major part of it). I even left the
entire industry for a while before getting asked to come back by El Moro to
help them figure out what to do with the security they inherited when their
loan was not paid back. El Moro, the company that owns eSportz was a
secured creditor and also lost all its money when Cyberoad went down (a
fact overlooked by everyone but documented in here). El Moro only did what
any secured creditor would do, took the assets that were put up for
security and is trying to make the money back (plus the extra put in to
ramp things up to where they are now). Far from being a villain, both
myself and El Moro have ensured that not one player got harmed. Everyone
can appreciate that the shareholders are upset, but they need to be looking
to the brokers and promoters in Toronto that structured the deal and then
never raised the money needed, to find satisfaction. These are the only
guys that sold any stock that I know of. Cyberoad's main problem was the
stupid decisions these guys made to put the deal into a US company...it was
the SEC that killed Cyberoad by blocking this SB-2 application so the
company was unfinancable and then the whole tech sector tubed (this was
probably my fault too according to the guys posting on your site).
Typically in these deals its the promoter/broker group (Thomson Kernaghan &
Co. Ltd of Toronto and Vancouver in this case) or the CEO and CFO that
makes the decisions that cause the downfall, not a guy in my capacity. I
had no legal duty of any kind to the Cyberoad shareholders nor did El Moro
Finance...Cyberoad even stiffed me about $50,000 on the fees they were
supposed to pay me to give them Internet advice. Everything that happened
since Cyberoad failed was by the book and legal and is why there was no
lawsuits (except for us suing Cyberoad I might add)...its also starting to
be ancient history.

I would appreciate it if you would stop guys that don't even know a
fraction of the details on this from libeling me on your site. We run a
great operation with high customer loyalty (making this stuff even more
absurd is the fact that I actually only know how to run sports books...I
don't even know anything about all that public company stuff) and this fact
should be the message....even Oscar had to begrudgingly admit there are no
player issues before taking one more cheap shot at me about used cars (the
guy doesn't even know me or anything about me yet he thinks he knows the
service record on my jeep).

We are going to be in this business for a long time (other than the brief
break mentioned above, I have been in this industry since 1994) and we want
to work with everyone good. We think we have one of the best products on
the market we are using it on <A HREF="http://www.bodog.com" TARGET=_blank>www.bodog.com</A> and <A HREF="http://www.thebigbook.com" TARGET=_blank>www.thebigbook.com</A> is also
using our system.

Help me set the record straight please, this is not right.

Sincerely,

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Old 07-28-2001, 04:20 AM
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I don't know about any of that. All I do know is Big Book was one of the first books I ever played at, and I tried BoDog when it opened, and though I do not play there now because of the 20C baseball lines, I always got paid fast. And this was before the days of Neteller. E-Banx always gave me great customer service.
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Old 07-28-2001, 05:20 AM
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Old 07-28-2001, 04:30 PM
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Calvin was just a consultant, eh? Doesn't that what most people who are banned from an industry call themselves? Isn't it true Calvin that you were banned from trading or holding any officer or director postion in any company listed on the Vancouver Stock Exchange. Isn't it also true that E-banx was simply an office located inside Cyberoad's HQ on Burrard street in Vancouver?

Calvin you are wrong, I do know you and I also know Eppy-acct, Carl-CIO, John-Pres, Bertil-CFO, Joe-Sys Admin, Ross-Mktg Dir. Would you like to continue your charade?
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Old 07-28-2001, 04:49 PM
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Old 07-29-2001, 05:07 AM
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Old 07-29-2001, 06:00 AM
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never hear from Calvin again -400
hear from Calvin again +360

looks pretty fishy

PS always got paid and have never heard one person not get paid from Bigbook,GrandPrix, or Mayan.
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Old 07-29-2001, 12:22 PM
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If all Calvin's players are getting paid, that's what should matter. If Big Mo or others have personal issues with him, then they should deal with it like men, instead of taking shots at him anonymously in this forum. Their comments reek of sour grapes!
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Old 07-29-2001, 01:11 PM
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Disagree.

What BigMo is pointing out is the inconsistency of his statement with known facts.

Mayan, which has been a fairly solid book up to now, suddenly found themselves undermined by an attempt to shift all their customers to BoDog. Hence the letter posted to customers, which follows in the next post.

Who's to say that BoDog won't suddenly STOP paying?
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Old 07-29-2001, 01:13 PM
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Dear Loyal MayanSports Player:

The OWNERS NEED YOUR HELP:

THE BAD NEWS:

Many of you have voiced concerns with the frequent hardware and software outages experienced by the MayanSports website. In response to these complaints/problems, the owners of MayanSports were in the process of switching to a new software, hardware and eCash systems supplier. Unfortunately, in the process of switching, eBanx is trying to switch your accounts to another sportsbook called BoDog, which is brand new and has nothing to do with MayanSports. They are trying to take your business away from us. Many of you have received an email wherein they are trying to get you to convert to their sportsbook, BoDog, and are forcibly transferring your accounts to it. This is hardly ethical behavior and we do not think it is in our players’ best interests. So….

THE GOOD NEWS:

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****Go NOW and request your funds be returned to you per the terms under eBanx withdrawal at http://www.ebanx.com/start.html - withdrawals by:

calling eBanx at 1-888-343-2269 or

email to service@ebanx.com, or submitted by fax to 1-888-743-2269 or personally delivered to eBanx in care of the following department and address:

eBanx Representative Office
Todistr.51
P.O. Box 1059, CH-8039,
Zurich, Switzerland

****THEN, go NOW to http://www.mayancasino.com/sportsbook/join.html and sign up and deposit your funds for the 15% BONUS! If you have a Mayan Casino account already, then just deposit into it and get your 15% Bonus!

Many of you have been loyal players of Mayan Sportsbook for some time now. We really and truly appreciate your betting with us. We ask that you continue to be loyal to Mayan Sportsbook. We look forward to seeing you at the improved Mayan Sportsbook website!

The Owners of Mayansports

For questions about this:

emergency@mayancasino.com
866-238-6648
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Old 07-29-2001, 04:02 PM
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Some guys just don't get it, or act like they don't get it (usually guys with one post).

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Old 07-29-2001, 07:04 PM
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OK...so now I have two posts...is that good?? whatever you mean by that, I have no idea - just like the rest of your long-winded babbling and whining. You have a really nice way of making new visitors feel welcome. I don't know who you are, nor do I care.

I also don't know if investors got screwed by cyber-e-kazoo or not - that's not my business (although it is apparently yours). Have you ever heard the expression "Caveat emptor"? Anyone who would throw whatever thousand or million dollars at any internet gambling outfit is rolling the dice, just like in any stock investment. From what you say, it sounds like you think this guy Calvin went into the business with the sole purpose of taking a whole bunch of honest people's money and then running the business into the ground and taking off with the loot. If that were the case, all his businesses would be shut down, wouldn't they? From players' posts, it sounds like he has some decent sites. I don't follow your logic at all.

And I do find it pretty odd that you would devote so much time to slamming one guy in an anonymous forum, and you seem to think it's a great service to people who read these posts. Instead of taking such obviuous glee in trying to expose this alleged problem (which you have not done - you've just stirred up alot of dirt), why not try to do something constructive with your time, like suggesting a company that IS worth investing in...if you know of one.

If you have no vendetta against Calvin as you say, I'd hate to see how you lay into someone that you truly do have a problem with!

have a nice day :#
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