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Old 03-10-2001, 04:49 PM
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Heath,

Now that I see your back.....and as you were the defender and touter of J.R. what have we to say to these questions or statements....or does Sonny have too much ammo against your pea shooter...

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Old 03-10-2001, 05:09 PM
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Now, Devil. Be nice to Heath or he'll go home again...

...be nice to JR also or he'll never show up to defend his rotten record!

...take a happy pill, like I do.
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Old 03-10-2001, 09:36 PM
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I've made my millions from touting JR.

Got so much money now I weight it instead of counting it.

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Old 03-13-2001, 01:46 PM
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Your reply is not clever.
It is not witty.
Although not unexpected it is disappointing, especially so since it comes from someone who falsely believes he stands high on a rock looking down on others who are not "as bright" as he, and are "unable to pass a basic college course" as you have stated about MW posters (and it's 'weigh' not 'weight', and don't blame a typo as 't' is not next to 'h'; the matter of which institution of higher learning you have visited is irrelevant if you remain a dolt).
More to the point though you avoid the questions and issues that were raised here on disappearing records and dollars lost.
I won't repeat them, you know what they are. And we know what you are. And your buddy jr, who by the way is down, what, another dime already this month?
Please come in again someday and tell us how he is the best.
It is not a rock you stand on, it is quicksand, a muck and mire mixture of your own bullshit, and you and mediocreboy slowly but surely sink and drown in it.......
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Old 03-13-2001, 11:59 PM
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These are from the "letters" section of Miller's website:

03/12/01: I've been watching your selections for about 6 months now...(You claim to win) 56-58%. You are (not) near that. When do you see yourself hitting near 56%? How much of a time frame do you commit?..... - K.
Response: To be precise, we claim a long term return on investment equal to a 55%-58% wiinning percentage against so-called "11-10" bets. That does not mean we always play against "11-10" propositions, nor does it mean we expect to achieve those particular percentages. .
Check our current Track Us Here page for the days March 8 through March 12. We went 16-16-2 over those 4 days - (50%) - but we made a profit of 2.16 units. That's a profit over those 32 conclusions equal to a winning percentage of more than 55% against 32 "11-10" propositions.
The explanation is, we often take underdogs against moneylines and we sometimes recommend (in Professional Gambler Newsletter) using parlays and other "tricks of the trade" we've learned over the years. Please track our profit, not our winning percentages. We would gladly lose 60% of all our bets if we were getting odds of +200 on all bets. As professionals, we are after profit. Winning percentages are only of secondary importance.

02/27/01: Man, you should know you are getting chewed to pieces in (a gambling chat room on the net). What's with those guys? You've never been anything but honest, so far as I can tell, and their bullshit about the Kelly (Criterion) money system just sucks.
- James H.
Response: I was told that the chat room you mention has several bookmakers who contribute while masquerading as successful bettors. They pretend to be successful bettors while giving out suicidal advice and touting their sportbooks to "real" bettors seeking help.

Incredible...



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Old 03-14-2001, 01:20 AM
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56-58% !!! WTF !

over the past 259 days he has hit 43% making a whopping -$10,365 if flat betting $100.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:[/size]<HR>Originally posted by Fade2Black:
I was told that the chat room you mention has several bookmakers who contribute while masquerading as successful bettors. They pretend to be successful bettors while giving out suicidal advice and touting their sportbooks to "real" bettors seeking help.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So I guess that makes me a bookmaker, bloody fantastic, I am offering odds of of +800 that J.R. gets his butt in here and attempts to defend his "record".

Here's some suicidal advice also.. bet all of Mr Millers picks.



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Old 03-14-2001, 01:23 AM
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HAHAHAHA!!! Excellent, Bar, Excellent!
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Old 03-14-2001, 01:57 AM
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I guess we're the forum he's talking about????
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Old 03-14-2001, 02:35 AM
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if someone has the time could you give me a quick run down on who this guy is,and did he make some claim that he is a handicapping stud.
thanks.
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Old 03-14-2001, 03:01 AM
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I think it's clear which "tricks of the trade" mediocre boy uses. They are not handicapping tricks, they are marketing tricks.

Devil, the site was not here, it was another, where he was foolish enough to try and enter to shill his service. You can't con savy bettors though and he got shredded on his record and his theories. Those parlor tricks are just so much smoke and mirrors and only work on the uninformed. He got his butt kicked even worse than here. Having lost even MORE since then he has even LESS to defend himself with at this point in time, not that he did well then either. Don't expect him to show up.

This is just beating a dead horse now, it's far too easy and has grown tiresome. I'm finished with it and out of here.

heath recommended him as the best he's seen. I posted in rebuttal and supplied numbers for all to see (B-bar, where did you get the figures you quote? the ones I recorded have him down 10 dimes since November alone, but have since disappeared from his site, another "trick of the trade" ).
Contrary to heaths opinion I believe posters here are intelligent, and are now informed enough to judge for themselves.
I'm guessing you guys won't be suggesting your friends sign up with him any time soon?

As for questions at jr's forum let him answer:
why do you choose to refer to only that particular 5 day period?
what about the 5 day period BEFORE 3/8?
the one week period before that?
the one month period before that?

Screw this X amount of days stuff, tell us jr, BOTTOM LINE -
how much did you lose in Feb?
Jan.?
Dec.? etc., etc.....
And why did you pull your records?
You won't see those questions answered at the site.
Because you won't see jr ASK them.......

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Old 03-14-2001, 04:37 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:[/size]<HR>Originally posted by Sonny Palermo:

Devil, the site was not here, it was another, where he was foolish enough to try and enter to shill his service. .. (sic) B-bar, where did you get the figures you quote?
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Sonny, I would be interested in which site?

The figures are based on those that I have directly copied off his site into excel and are I would guess 99% accurate as to his record for the past year (259 days). It takes very little time and hey they make for interesting reading.


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Old 03-14-2001, 04:58 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:[/size]<HR>Originally posted by J.R Miller aka The Professional Gambler, on his site ProfessionalGambler.com:
As professionals, we are after profit. Winning percentages are only of secondary importance. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha ha ha ha, and I thought a losing percentage made me money.

Is not a winning percentage defined as a profitable one?

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JR Miller is a huge disappointment. I just got back from the Philippines, and the economy there sucks because half the male population has been bamboozled into betting his plays. Miller is a Jack Painter disciple, and the late Painter, the self-proclaimed Professor of Handicapping who taugh courses at sportsbetting at a Vegas community college in the '80s, was a complete phony and farce. Moreover, Miller is Hollywood. How can someone who hangs out with the Hee Haw girls be expected to pick winners? If Miller could do something constructive, like get Pamela Anderson to regularly post in Major Wager, he would have some redeeming value. Unfortunately, his only value is to provide entertainment for those of us who laugh at his pathetic Hollywood act as as sportsbetting tout.
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Old 03-14-2001, 01:54 PM
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Although I said I'm done I will reply to
B-bar - the reason I asked where you got your #'s is because of the layout of your reply above. I thought the minus sign you used was a dash leading to the figure on the next line. My mistake, I thought you had him up 10k, which I knew was impossible! Not 10k, not $10's, not 10 cents......
And I had to stop in to "say hey" and thanks for stopping in my thread to Reno. Good to hear from you and your input is appreciated.
As to the other site jr came into I can't/won't say. Whenever I come in here I do not put a link to or list my sites address or any others. Bad form, ya know? Just my opinion. Devil can tell you if he chooses. And by the way D & M, there is a great piece that's getting a lot of feedback (including the same old tired threats I always get) on another "less than mediocreboy" type on the home page where I hang at. Check yourself for a laugh. It's a solid effort, written in National Enquirer style, about how scientists have discovered that HANDICAPPING SKILL IS HEREDITARY!!! It concerns an infamous father-son team of mass marketeers who I understand are very pleased with my efforts on behalf of legalities concerning full disclosure and regulatory measures being introduced in the tout industry. Sorry about the commercial but I am proud of the charitable work I do on behalf of bettors as Honorary President of Slam Dunks "Save the Squares" Foundation....
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Old 03-15-2001, 12:32 AM
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Cheers Sonny,

My last post hopefully on the matter as it is getting tedious. However must add the following since the guy put this up on his site in responce to sombody asking where his record has gone.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:[/size]<HR>Originally posted by Mr Miller on his site :
03/13/01: Just started checking out your website. How come you don't show a history of your recent picks? Would give someone a better idea of how your doing recently. Also, would make it easier to check out your last 100 - 200 picks as you recommend in your page.
Regards, Tim M.

Response: Thank you for your interest. We DO show a record of our recent picks. Check our Track Us Here page for our last 50-or-so picks.
We constantly get requests to furnish all manner of our won/lost records. Some people want us to separate our results by sport...

(sic).... blah blah snakeoil endless drivel ...

The bottom line is, we post every pick every day on our Track Us Here page. We leave the picks posted there for at least a week - usually around 50 picks. Feel free to track whatever results you like for as long as you like; however, we're afraid it's up to you to keep track and separate them in whatever manner you choose.
(sic)... blah blah more snake oil and endless drivel...

Take a look at our current results from March 8 through March 13 at our Track Us Here page. We went 18-17-2 (about 51%) but we made a PROFIT of 3.42 units, which is equivalent to a winning percentage of about 56%. Forget everything you've heard from sports touts and "claim-to-be" pros. Professional-level sports bettors are simply not concerned with a high winning percentage. Compare our long term profits, not our percentages.
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What a complete load of bollocks.

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Old 03-15-2001, 02:27 PM
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B-Bar,
I love the English slang you use;
jr is a wanker and an arse and I'll wager he's into a bit of 'buggery"!
If you'd like to please e-mail Devil or Major and ask for my e-mail, do you go to "boxing press"? Do you know English Bob?

Someone should go back to and ask "how come you USED to show more of a history"?
Or maybe heath will tell us why the change???
Nah, we know.
jr - you have my e-mail if you'd like to thank me once again.....
Done, exposed. Next!
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Old 03-15-2001, 06:18 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:[/size]<HR>Originally posted by reno:
disciple, and the late Painter, the self-proclaimed Professor of Handicapping who taugh courses at sportsbetting at a Vegas community college in the '80s, was a complete phony and farce. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh really?

A phony and a farce?

Why?

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Old 03-15-2001, 06:23 PM
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You guys are trip.

If he's so bad, then bet against his picks every day.

And for the record, my quote was "He's the best NFL and NBA handicapper I've ever seen".

I used to say: "He's the best all around handicapper I've ever seen" back when the only sports he did were the NBA and NFL.

Gotta run now -- wieghting all that money we've made from fleecing you guys is a full time job.
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Old 03-15-2001, 08:58 PM
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I am...have been for the last month!!

Hey KingOfTheSquares, too bad you were smarter than me...

Quote:
"OK, Predator. Let's everybody send JR $900/yr so we can fade his picks. I'm sure JR would be "pi$$ed" if we did that".

No I didn't send him $900 for the year, but $99 for the last month sure did the trick!!



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