Are the TOP 4 Pitchers of OUR Generation....

[MadCapper]

Clemens
Maddux
R. Johnson
P. Martinez

The best GROUP of pitchers to ever play at the same time??

4 sure HOF sharing primes...

Was there any generation with a group of 4 pitchers that can match this quartet?

-MC

[kris]

Pretty nice list there MC, i would take any four of them! Clemens would be my #1 pick if there was a draft though!

[MadCapper]

Clemens
CY'S: 6
W/L: 317-160
ERA: 3.17
SO: 4161

Maddux
CY'S: 4
W/L: 292-166
ERA: 2.91
SO: 2800

Johnson
CY'S: 5
W/L: 233-118
ERA: 3.10
SO: 3939

Martinez
CY'S: 3
W/L: 170-70
ERA: 2.62
SO: 2482

Combined
18 CY Youngs
1012-514

Simply Amazing!

[MadCapper]

Can anyone think of a better quartet pitching during the same time?

[The Actuary]

I think Shilling is one of the top four pitchers of the current generation..


I think you could come up with a pretty good cast from the mid seventies to the mid eighties, even though of course there is no comparison,
with seaver, carlton, ryan and maybe gooden.

[Pancho Sanza]

1960's

Marichal
Koufax
Gibson
Drysdale
Ford

Seaver and Palmer joined in the late 60's as well.

[Immanuel Kant]

Originally posted by: MadCapper
Clemens
Maddux
R. Johnson
P. Martinez

The best GROUP of pitchers to ever play at the same time??

4 sure HOF sharing primes...

Was there any generation with a group of 4 pitchers that can match this quartet?

-MC

Pancho beat me to it.......I'll take Gibson, Koufax, Marichal and Drysdale

[RackMan]

I will take the... 1970s.

Steve Carlton
Nolan Ryan
Tom Seaver
Jim Palmer
++++Don Sutton, Phil Niekro, Gaylord Perry
----6 of these 7 Guys are in the Top 17 on the All Time Wins List...J Palmer is 32nd.


RackMan

[BigTuna7]

Add Nolan Ryan and his 7 no hitters one of the groups.

[MadCapper]

But are any of those groups better than the 4 playing now?

18 CY Youngs
1012-514

Add your group of 4 up....does it come close?

-MC

[Pancho Sanza]

Gibson
Ford
Koufax
Marichal

895-509

Lifetime ERA

Gibson 2.91
Ford 2.74
Koufax 2.76
Marichal 2.89

[MadCapper]

Pancho...

How many CY youngs and thats 110 less wins.

ERA under 3 in a time of HR gives the 4 playing now some advantage,

-MC

[Pancho Sanza]

Not sure how many Cy youngs.

Wins/losses depend a lot on how good of a team you're on so that needs to be accounted for.

Koufax retired when he was 30 and had only 165 career wins but people I've spoken to (I never saw him pitch) say no one dominated like him.

[MAGUA]

Comparing Cy Young winners from the 1960's and now is pointless because MLB only began awarding a Cy Young winner to each league in 1967. From 1956 (the first year Cy Young Award was given) to 1966 there was an overall Cy Young winner, not one each from the NL and AL.

Here is the all-tim list of winners including their record and ERA from the year they won:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/mvp_cya.shtml

[MAGUA]

I'd have to give the edge to Gibson, Koufax, Ford and Marichal based on their World Series success. Combined those four have 12 world series wins and the current four mentioned only have 4. Maddox and Johnson both have losing records in the playoffs (Johnson only playoff success was in 2001) and Pedro's performance in the LCS last was awful and cost the Sox a trip to the World Series. Clemens has been hot and cold in the playoffs.

[brett]

A few points off the top of my head. Tom Glavine has never dominated with strikeouts like some of the above, but he has been pretty darn good himself. Alot more wins than Pedro. And is Pedro's 170 wins enough to get him to the Hall if his arm fell off today? Ryan was great for his 7 no hitters and his ability to dominate, but he lost alot of games. I can't say anything good about Clemens (because I think is a prick) so I won't.

[AnotherBadBeat]

Well MC , it seems your basing your case on Numbers alone for the most part , and the group you have presented definately has impressive numbers , in fact so impressive no one was able to match them. However I did some research and based upon #s I have found a group of 4 pitchers that do indeed match your 4's numbers and then raise the stakes even higher.

No CY YOung awards were given at this time , However Cy Young himself is on this list ...


1900-1910 ( all 4 of these pitchers were pitching during this span )
Eddie Plank
Cy Young
Walter Johnson
Christy Mathewson

Combined Record 1627-977 ( .624 )
Combined E.R.A ( 2.35 )

Hall of Famers 4

Of course , they aren't from "Our Generation" , but the #'s don't lie.

By No means am I saying these 4 our better than our current legends , however they are legends nonetheless and to play the Devils advocate I pulled up the statistics from them to compare to the current aces. Great Thread BTW .....


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[big action]

Mike Scott
Bob Knepper
Nolan Ryan
Jim Deshaies


Mike Scott pitches No Hitter to clinch the NL West