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Old 11-29-2006, 01:47 PM
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Exactly All In!


Afterall who gives a shit that an industry icon just hands over it's customers to the slimiest operator on the planet.



Brett that is just a symptom of moronitis-
in their desire to eliminate all risk they also eliminate alot of profit.



This will not end well-I stand by all of my assertions from day one.

These guys do not change stripes, I have been around the markets for a long time- they do not change, they merely move on to the next scheme.
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:49 PM
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Not sure if I am confusing them or not, Star. The guy bailed out 10 million for players owed to WWTS that would have never been paid. Two of the people ripping Bodog and Calvin in this thread had money at WWTS, substantial money that they would never have seen. Nothing ceases to amaze me.
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:54 PM
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Yes how lucky they are to have a generous benefactor like Ayre in their corner.



WOuld still bet they not turning a profit.


Poker room still not meeting it's guarantees even though the biggest competitors pulled out of the market-how fukkin pathetic is that?

and well the book to losers sportsbook plan has not worked well yet elsewhere so why should I or anyone else believe that he found some magic plan-

am I supposed to believe he is any smarter or more adept at pulling squares than a WWTS, CANBET, SPORTINGBET et al ad infinitum-of course not.

Have costs gone down or up since Ayre appeared on the scene?
When SBT first appeared around, players were a measly $35/hd-now they have ballooned to well over $300. Somehow with that, all the ad restrictions, the payment processing restrictions, the gov't laws-this guy is making it where others couldn't in a far more friendly enviroment.

I stand by all of my original posts and assertions.
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:56 PM
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Major the bookmaking beef is do-able, 2 years in a level one camp and 250k max fine but if they hit him or others with money laundering, rico, travel act etc. then you are looking at 12 plus years. Is any amount of money worth 12 years of your life? I don't think so and personally think the U.S. owners of shops that advertise for post up customers are making a big mistake. The credit guys will do just fine with there 500 to 1000 customers all brought in by agents. They will keep churning out a nice piece of change, will never get indicted, and will travel to and fro the U.S. like they are on vacation.
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:01 PM
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Sure, I see your reasoning there.

I'm basing my input on what I saw firsthand down there and the 2/people involved. I listened to the calls on voice, know for a fact my manager was a scumbag that felt like shaking hands with a snake, and had zip-zero spine.

When I was invited to go party with them I politely declined as I didn't care to meet Calvin. As enamored as he was with my manager, my street smart told him they were two peas in a pod .. social butterflies w/egos that had no end.

Still, like you I'm happy for the WWTS crowd that they got bailed out. Good business on Calvin's part, and that money will come back to him 10x.

And since the topic is about balls. How about them Brits? No fecking balls at all. If BoS had held their mud .. the dominos might not have fallen so quickly.

I gotta get back to bed. Sarge called me from Japan an woke me up forgetting about the time-delay [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] (glad he's alright)
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:11 PM
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Good post All-in. I think the key to this is that nothing has changed with the new Bill. It absolutely does not make anything different, legally, for the book owners and operators. It is exactly status quo to a year ago. Why didn't they shut down then?

This debate is not about Calvin or Bowmans, or WWTS for that matter. It is about the survival of online gaming for North Americans. If companies continue to "fold", so will the industy as we know it.
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:17 PM
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Starnet, I don't think its about balls when talking about the Brits and Aussies. They used their real names on their business license applications and do not have the luxury of using a "DC" (designated convict) as the owners, director, officers etc. Therefore if they continued to take bets from Americans then the DOJ could find out their real identities and indict them or worse yet arrest them as they set foot on U.S. soil like they did Caruthers and the gentleman from Sportingbet.

Its ironic that those who are going to continue to make money are the illegal credit bookmakers that moved offshore years ago to avoid the door getting kicked in around the superbowl or march madness. There is NO FIGHTING the DOJ and winning so only those who operate under the radar will prosper. If you fly above the radar you better stay out of the U.S. and its territories and hope the countries where you reside don't extradite you in the future.
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:19 PM
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TA .. you may be right.

The diff between Sbet et al and BoDog is that Sbet in particular was simply listening to their attorneys who were protecting their standing on the LSE/AiM and future business in the UK and future markets East.

Having been behind the scenes, and close to the CEO of World Gaming during the 'takeover' of WG, I know for a fact how shrewd Nigel & Mark are (Patrick too). They had it planned to the mili-second going 5/yrs out.

Calvin is taking advantage of that caution.

btw .. wasn't it people like Noam Lanir of EmpireOnline paying NoblePoker $400/per player that inflated that cost? He was in a personal war w/Party, and after new business as I recall?
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:31 PM
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All-in ..

Point well taken, and believe me when I say I fully understand.

My dig was aimed specifically at BoS, and I have a very close friend that was there in Corp in Cr. They were running around scared shitless, a ship w/o a rudder as soon as David was arrested & fired ("contract expired").

Personally, I don't think BoS did the Due Dilligence that Sbet and others did, and simply folded out of sheer fear.

Now ... the landscape has changed, and even the UK had buckled to US pressure and is willing to extradite UK citizens taking "illegal bet", when the year before they said that it didn't matter.

w/re David Carruthers? Balls - definately has balls, and I'm pissed at BoS for throwing him to the wolves. They had the opportunity to have him as their CEO represent them in St Louis to fight this. And at that time, the UK law was on their side w/re "being a legal company in the UK and being licensed under UK law, these companies may take wagers from anywhere in the world" (paraphrased by my 3/braincells).
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:43 PM
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I think that Carruthers, as disliked as he is, will fight this tooth and nail. He is not rolling over. Yet anyways.
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Old 11-29-2006, 03:50 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: brett

Cmon Russ,

Everyone keeps sending my $$$ to his book and I'd like to bet. Name one book that doesnt take a 2 dime bet over the phone on gameday in NFL? I mean, I'm not trying to bet Missouri-KC under 135 here, Im just trying to bet a sports where Pinnacle takes 100 dimes online.</end quote></div>



so keep betting pinnacle. it seems if you have 100 g's on a game and you arent a complete degenerate then its enough. unless you are one of those beard dudes...then you should just get your own money to bet.
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:17 PM
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I get the point guys, they are a "recreational" book, so they dont want anybody with a clue or half a clue. I get it. My $$ wont be there long.
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:57 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Odd how the people fighting these battles are all Canadians. Us "non confrontational Canadians", the only people standing up for you patriotic "free" United States.

</end quote></div>

Haven't the Americans that started WSEX been fighting the DOJ via the WTO for years now?

And I doubt Calvin Ayre gives a crap about anyone's freedom, only their money. Nothing wrong with that, but he's hardly a "freedom fighter"..
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:30 PM
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I still am bitter about how Bodog jacked me around on an over-the-limit bet on the Nets moneyline. Could only do $500 ml and the rest points with every $500 moving the line a half. To top off the evening the Mailman cost me both bets on a last second offensive rebound put-back to force OT. Lost four dimes that night. Fuk u Mailman! Fuk u Calvin!

If Bodog wants my action, they need to open things up and let people bet. Should have $5000 minimum side limits with major sports...
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:44 PM
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I think anyone who had loot at WWTS should take a time out bashing Bodog.

God forbid they do not want people at this site playing there (that is a compliment by the way). I got the dual line treatment too, but that is the decision they are allowed to make because they realize trying to take on the opposite of a Pinnacle move or scalp is not wise.

It amazes me all the shit people talk about Bodog and Calvin. Before posting how about this. Draw a BIG T on a piece of paper.

On one side write down all the shops that cater to squares and limit sharps/scalpers etc on one side. On the other side write down all the books over the years you creamed your pants on about great lines, reduced juice, bonuses or being a REAL bookie that has closed. How many of the Bodogs of the world are bye-bye compared to the Camelots, Aladins/Premier, Aces, Sportsbook Paradise, Blue Marlin, etc. There would be no NINE, BETCOM etc if Grand Central did not switch to a square audience when they got in trouble trying to cater to sharps, middlers, sclapers, etc.

Before you try and scream MVP or BOS they closed because of the fascist government not because they they tried taking stands on games (cough-cough ACES).

I still have like $10,000 in SECUREBUXX Reggie at Blue Marlin paid me if anyone wants them in exchange for the money they have in their Bodog account if they want to trade?
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:52 PM
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:55 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Johnny Detroit

I think anyone who had loot at WWTS should take a time out bashing Bodog.



God forbid they do not want people at this site playing there (that is a compliment by the way). I got the dual line treatment too, but that is the decision they are allowed to make because they realize trying to take on the opposite of a Pinnacle move or scalp is not wise.



It amazes me all the shit people talk about Bodog and Calvin. Before posting how about this. Draw a BIG T on a piece of paper.



On one side write down all the shops that cater to squares and limit sharps/scalpers etc on one side. On the other side write down all the books over the years you creamed your pants on about great lines, reduced juice, bonuses or being a REAL bookie that has closed. How many of the Bodogs of the world are bye-bye compared to the Camelots, Aladins/Premier, Aces, Sportsbook Paradise, Blue Marlin, etc. There would be no NINE, BETCOM etc if Grand Central did not switch to a square audience when they got in trouble trying to cater to sharps, middlers, sclapers, etc.



Before you try and scream MVP or BOS they closed because of the fascist government not because they they tried taking stands on games (cough-cough ACES).?</end quote></div>





VERY WELL SAID.
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Old 11-29-2006, 07:05 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: all-inThe credit guys will do just fine with there 500 to 1000 customers all brought in by agents. They will keep churning out a nice piece of change, will never get indicted, and will travel to and fro the U.S. like they are on vacation.</end quote></div>

Unless they go to a wedding and leave their laptop in the hotel room alone for 3 hours.
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Old 11-29-2006, 08:31 PM
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If you think I am blowing him , get real. We dont like each other and I am his biggest crtitic. Am now and have been the only one over the last 5 years. I havent received a cent from the man and I more than likely never will

then why is bodog on the top of the page now?
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