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Old 10-27-2006, 03:48 PM
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Britain Attacks U.S. Online Gambling Ban
Friday October 27, 11:54 am ET
By Jane Wardell, AP Business Writer
Britain Criticizes U.S. Online Gaming Ban As It Prepares for International Summit

LONDON (AP) -- Britain's culture secretary on Friday compared the U.S. crackdown on online gambling to the failed alcohol ban of the Prohibition as she prepared to host an international summit on Internet gambling next week.

Tessa Jowell warned that the U.S. ban on Internet gambling would make unregulated offshore sites the "modern equivalent of speakeasies," illegal bars that opened in 1920s America when alcohol was banned.

U.S. Congress caught the gambling industry by surprise earlier this month when it added to an unrelated bill a provision that would make it illegal for banks and credit-card companies to settle payments for online gambling sites. President Bush signed the law Oct. 14.

The decision closed off the most lucrative region in a market worth $15.5 billion this year in "spend" value -- the amount gambling companies win from their clients, or the amount gamblers lose.

Several London-based Internet gambling companies and a handful in Europe and Australia subsequently sold off or shut down their U.S. operations, losing around 80 percent of their combined business in the process.

U.S. officials have declined to participate in Tuesday's gambling summit in London, where lawmakers from 30 countries will discuss ways to regulate the industry, including the protection of minors and keeping the industry free of crime.

Officials from Australia, South Africa and New Zealand, Malta, Costa Rica and Antigua and Barbuda are expected to attend.

Antigua in particular has been engaging in a strong defense of Internet gambling, one of the tiny Caribbean state's few economic success stories.

It argues that the U.S. ban is in direct contravention to a ruling by the World Trade Organization last year that the United States amend some of its legislation to permit Antiguan gambling operations to offer their services to U.S. citizens on a level playing field.

Mark Mendel, who leads Antigua's WTO legal team, said Friday that the summit would put further pressure on the United States to comply with the ruling.

"Ultimately, I think they are going to have to satisfy us," he said. Mendel said online gambling was vital to Antigua, whose only other industry of note is tourism.

Next week's gathering has been months in the planning and officials intended to discuss ways to stop criminals from defrauding online gamblers and to prevent sites being used for money laundering.

However, the new U.S. law is likely to be the focus of talks. Jowell said that regulating sites worked better than prohibition.

"America should have learnt the lessons of Prohibition," she said, noting that legislation that was meant to stop alcohol from causing harm in practice forced otherwise law-abiding customers into the hands of the bootleggers.

Under new British gambling laws, online operators have a "social responsibility" duty written into licenses and policed by the independent Gambling Commission watchdog.

It requires them to work to prevent underage gambling, give prominent warnings about addiction and inform users how much time and money they have spent on the site.

"Broadly speaking we have three choices: you can prohibit, like the U.S., do nothing or regulate, like we have," Jowell said. "I firmly believe we have chosen the path that will do the most to protect children and vulnerable people and keep out crime."
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Old 10-27-2006, 04:19 PM
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good to *see* you around.
Interesting article.
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Old 10-27-2006, 04:27 PM
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but on the plus side you are allowed to play with guns [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I've met Tessa and to be honest she's a bit of an idiot usually.

but the whole of the UK is racking it's brains as to how to secure ta portion of the $12 billion that you guys will continue to bet.
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Old 10-27-2006, 04:31 PM
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She is corrupt as sin.
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Old 10-27-2006, 04:41 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ENGLISH_DEGENERATE

She is corrupt as sin.</end quote></div>

that's a little unfair [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

true but unfair [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-27-2006, 04:50 PM
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what government official isn't corrupt in the world today?
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Old 10-27-2006, 04:51 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: andrew748

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I've met Tessa and to be honest she's a bit of an idiot usually.



but the whole of the UK is racking it's brains as to how to secure ta portion of the $12 billion that you guys will continue to bet.</end quote></div>




Try not running away and cowering against the fear of US laws that do not apply to them to start. How about daring the US to even tryto stop them.

What they gonna do, NOTHING THATAS WHAT.

If the institution as a WHOLE stands up to them, there is no problem.
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Old 10-27-2006, 06:12 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Juice

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: andrew748



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but on the plus side you are allowed to play with guns [IMG][/IMG]







I've met Tessa and to be honest she's a bit of an idiot usually.







but the whole of the UK is racking it's brains as to how to secure ta portion of the $12 billion that you guys will continue to bet.</end quote></div>









Try not running away and cowering against the fear of US laws that do not apply to them to start. How about daring the US to even tryto stop them.



What they gonna do, NOTHING THATAS WHAT.



If the institution as a WHOLE stands up to them, there is no problem.</end quote></div>



running and cowering from the US govt or a tactical withdrawal?

we have an extradition treaty with your nation and we are also in multiple war zones with your nation.

don't call the limeys cowards, you a representative of the US of A a country that repeatedly turns up late for wars.

think about aiding and abetting.

is it fair that a branch manager of William Hill ( a high st chain in the UK) on holiday with his family to disneyland (tm) can be picked up for aiding and abetting 'cos his company handles US customers?

your crappy govt has wiped $10 billion of the UK stock exchange.

The UK is very good at bidding it's time and you guys (the average Joe)will end up being the losers in the long run in many, many ways.

so remember that next time you let a crook in the whitehouse.
you have guns, you have an opinion but what.................

what happened to that spirit that made the USA inpependent in the first place?

i'm sorry but that's just the way it will be if your crappy govt continues to isolate your fine (in many over respects) country.


nothing personal Juice but to suggest that the UK is acting cowardly is a bit naive imo.

prudent yes

cowardly nope

and history will show you that we don't always play fair [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-28-2006, 12:44 AM
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Not the whole UK Andrew just the politicians. As for extradiction is the UK really going to ship a bookie to the state for running a legal and lawful buisness in there own country?

What does this say about the politics there when all of the buisnesses are afraid the UK political system wont protect them. They feel like open game over there.

We did not wipe out anything in as so much as they never even stood up and said boo. At least a word or two about Carruthers. Mind you I understand the not exactly in the UK per say argument some have advanced regarding him.

At no time has the UK stood up for it self in public and said thats enough US, stop bullying us, your laws are not our laws and if you dont like it tough, theres nothing you can do about it, except kidnapp our citizens and hold them political hostage.

Not a peep. Just tun and hide instead because the US will arrest any one and everyone world wide whom does not do what it is told to do by us.


As it stands now Andrew if all the companies there stood up for themselves as a whole, the big bad bully goes away.


In any event I can not wait till they grab an American or two and subject said people to the same treatment the US is dishing out.


Aiding and abetting does not apply to the UK, unless they have a law to enforce against there own.



In any event I agree they should be prudent, but enough is enough. The US grows bolder by the minute as long as they keep quiet.
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Old 10-28-2006, 12:46 AM
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You are right, we will be the big, big, big losers in the long run and the UK is certainly more patient than us.
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Tiznow

what government official isn't corrupt in the world today?</end quote></div>



And show us a taxpayer who's honest or anyone who knows all the rules (laws) of the game (living) today...the worlds a mess isn't it?

Watched a congressional debate the other night and couldn't believe what I saw...laughed and cried at the same time.

Clearly the best qualified individuals for these government positions don't want any part of them leaving the Country with the most vile degenerates imaginable to lead it.

The behavior of these individuals was as pathetic as their intellect, explaining to me why our world is such a mess.
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Old 10-28-2006, 09:38 AM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Juice

Not the whole UK Andrew just the politicians. As for extradiction is the UK really going to ship a bookie to the state for running a legal and lawful buisness in there own country?

probably not but it would cetainly affect your tourism as the states became of limits to anyone involved in the gaming industies

What does this say about the politics there when all of the buisnesses are afraid the UK political system wont protect them. They feel like open game over there.

ah bring back the glory days of the East India Company when govt and industrialist plundered the world in the name of god and king george [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]


We did not wipe out anything in as so much as they never even stood up and said boo. At least a word or two about Carruthers. Mind you I understand the not exactly in the UK per say argument some have advanced regarding him.

the markets will recover and i'd be surprised if they didn't get stronger


At no time has the UK stood up for it self in public and said thats enough US, stop bullying us, your laws are not our laws and if you dont like it tough, theres nothing you can do about it, except kidnapp our citizens and hold them political hostage.

not the way you deal with your closest allies imo

Not a peep. Just tun and hide instead because the US will arrest any one and everyone world wide whom does not do what it is told to do by us.

i think we're waiting and it would not surprise me if our govt. started issuing grants for the buccaneer business man that works out a way to separate the USA from it's recreational $






As it stands now Andrew if all the companies there stood up for themselves as a whole, the big bad bully goes away.

how effective do you thing strike action in a bookies is going to be?



In any event I can not wait till they grab an American or two and subject said people to the same treatment the US is dishing out.

your they, or our they?

seriously though didn't that happen to Jay Cohen?






Aiding and abetting does not apply to the UK, unless they have a law to enforce against there own.

it will not apply now but had the big boys William Hill etc stayed in the US then surely they would be guilty of worse than aiding and abetting my example was of an unrelated company member being penalized because of who he works for







In any event I agree they should be prudent, but enough is enough. The US grows bolder by the minute as long as they keep quiet.</end quote></div>

it will be a very interesting year [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-28-2006, 10:41 AM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Juice

As for extradiction is the UK really going to ship a bookie to the state for running a legal and lawful buisness in there own country?</end quote></div>

Yes absolutely the UK would as the new "fast track" extradition treaty only requires the U.S. to say there is a case to answer, it does not require them to present any evidence.

Already the "fast track" treaty has been used to extradite bankers from the UK to the US. - It's original purpose was to extradite terrorists.
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Old 10-28-2006, 11:50 AM
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U.S. officials have declined to participate in Tuesday's gambling summit in London, where lawmakers from 30 countries will discuss ways to regulate the industry,

Well, of course. Why do the right thing, when you can do the stupid, idiotic, hypocritical, wrong thing ?

Fortunately, the sun is about to rise on the long night of darkness- America ruled by a shit kicking buffoon.
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Touche on the Allies comment Andrew. Never thought about it that way. I agree your markets will get stronger. In fact in time you may just over take us.


Is the UK waiting or is it simply not the english way to be so barbaric. They are civilized, unlike there american counter parts. Not that they cant be mind you.


I meant when the UK grabs a US citizen for breaking UK law even though it was legal what they were doing here. And no JC is a US citizen whom came back on his own. The US maintains its laws follow its citizens wherever they go. I very strongly disagree with that. They also at least sent him a cease and decist order, before running like babies to the justice dpeartment.

The US at no time gave the UK any kind of anything along those lines. Not even a shred of diplomacy and or least demanding they stop before kidnapping Carruthers.


Double Touche on the strike against bookies.
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Uh yea everyone is corrupt and a crook-


should do just the trick to rationalize whatever sort of corruption you may be employing.
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Juice

And no JC is a US citizen whom came back on his own. The US maintains its laws follow its citizens wherever they go. I very strongly disagree with that. They also at least sent him a cease and decist order, before running like babies to the justice dpeartment.

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I never received a cease and desist order.

The US believes it's laws apply to anyone, not just their citizens. I actually don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with their aggressive interpretation of some of their laws and their complete disrespect of international law.

Prior to 98, the US was widely quoted as saying offshore gambling was out of their jurisdiction. It wasn't based on nationality but location. That's what it should be. The US should not have extra-territorial jurisdiction on this issue.
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So why did the position change?

I agree with you, you were obviously the one they used to tie the wire act to the internet-and further used to enforce laws beyond their jurisdiction-

I do not recall the predisposition and why they were so passionate abt it?
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as Lucky Streak said the extradition treaty does stand and is a worrying bit of international legislation.

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