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Old 09-19-2006, 01:24 PM
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Virginia could turn to some old-fashioned horsepower to bankroll hundreds of millions of dollars to improve the state's transportation system.

Under legislation filed separately by two lawmakers, Virginia would create a pari-mutuel game "Instant Racing"-- that horse racing aficionados could play at Colonial Downs and nine off-track betting parlors located around the state.

It would amend the state's pari-mutuel law to allow the game played on machines that look like ATMs featuring videos of past races. Video "rail birds" would have access to records of the horses, jockeys and trainers, but the bettor wouldn't know when or where the taped race occurred.

One analysis estimates that the game, once fully implemented over a few years, could generate from $660 million to $934 million annually, with almost half of the take turned over to deal with transportation woes. Arkansas has adopted the game. Del. Phillip A. Hamilton, R-Newport News, introduced the bill in the House, which along with the Senate will consider similar legislation when the General Assembly returns to Richmond Sept. 27 for a transportation session that may last four days.

"I'm saying it could raise several hundred million," Hamilton said in an interview yesterday. "My primary objective is to generate as much money as we can for transportation."

It appears that Hamilton and Sen. Thomas K. Norment, R-James City, the sponsor of the similar bill in the Senate, would face long odds in the legislature. Opponents have worried about expanding the state horse-betting operations, approved by voters in 1988. Returning legislators also would have little time to weigh the political implications of the new game.

"I haven't started working the bill," Hamilton said. "There's a little bit of concern from horse" breeders. They would receive only 2 percent of the profits and Colonial Downs would take away 49 percent. So far, the House and Senate have not even gotten out of the gate, much less finished the race to raise substantial new cash for transportation.

The governor and the Senate have proposed boosting some taxes and fees to deal with what they call a transportation crisis, but the House has adamantly opposed boosts in levies. It claims that improvements can be financed through existing dollars produced by a booming economy.

On another course, Hamilton also proposes hammering reckless drivers who cause accidents that result in significant delays on highways, bridges and tunnels.

In addition to any fines or jail time for reckless drivers, a judge shall impose a special traffic congestion fee on the driver not to exceed $10,000. The additional fee would be deposited in Virginia's Transportation Trust Fund and road building and maintenance.
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Old 09-19-2006, 01:25 PM
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Video horse racing game-nah doesn't possibly appeal to kids-
whatafukkin joke!



<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>The governor and the Senate have proposed boosting some taxes and fees to deal with what they call a transportation crisis, but the House has adamantly opposed boosts in levies. It claims that improvements can be financed through existing dollars produced by a booming economy. </end quote></div>


A financial crisis given the exponential rise in property tax collections insults the intelligence of your avg chimp.
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:36 PM
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Default Bill offers new form of gambling-in Virginia

TA

trying to expose the hypocrisy of gaming laws is an exercise in futility

as long as the money is coming in their right-wing moral agenda will go out the window


the lotteries are expanding all over the place with a 50% or greater house edge. Anyone supporting a lottery and against internet gambling for its "bad effects on society" should be punched squarely in the balls
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:52 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: The Actuary
It would amend the state's pari-mutuel law to allow the game played on machines that look like ATMs featuring videos of past races. Video "rail birds" would have access to records of the horses, jockeys and trainers, but the bettor wouldn't know when or where the taped race occurred.
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So, if I understand it right, you would be betting on "replays" of races. You get the horses and stats, but not the race itself until the race is run on your screen. If that is indeed the case (and I'm not sure it is) this game sounds exploitable. Couldn't I just write a query against Equibase, or something similar, with the race parameters (number of horses, jockey records, etx) and narrow down the races and give me a best bet? I'd like to know more about it, but the thousand-foot view says that this game might be exploitable.
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Old 09-19-2006, 09:27 PM
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When it comes to easy ways to get money from taxpayers; anything is allmost possible.

The funny thing about Virginia's horse racing is how local it all comes down too--bottom line. For instance--I live in the LARGEST city in the STATE--Virginia Beach. It's land area is far greater than any other Virginia City. But to bet the horses at one of the OTB's ---I can't do it here in Va. Beach--have to drive to Chesapeake...
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:33 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ParanoidAndroid

So, if I understand it right, you would be betting on "replays" of races. You get the horses and stats, but not the race itself until the race is run on your screen. If that is indeed the case (and I'm not sure it is) this game sounds exploitable. Couldn't I just write a query against Equibase, or something similar, with the race parameters (number of horses, jockey records, etx) and narrow down the races and give me a best bet? I'd like to know more about it, but the thousand-foot view says that this game might be exploitable.</end quote></div>

you gonna bring your laptop and look up stuff on the internet while standing in front of the "machines that look like ATMs "?

I have to imagine that would prohibit you from doing that, or change the names of horses so you couldn't figure out which was which
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Old 09-20-2006, 07:59 AM
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Any state that doesn't get slots at racetracks will be looking into this.

And if you go to Oaklawn you will understand why--the place is packed because of it.

Basically a glorified casino in an area where it's "illegal".
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Old 09-20-2006, 10:38 AM
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Oh Goodlatte!!!!! The people are asking the question. Where the fukc are you now??????????
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Old 09-20-2006, 02:56 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: drunkguy

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ParanoidAndroid



So, if I understand it right, you would be betting on "replays" of races. You get the horses and stats, but not the race itself until the race is run on your screen. If that is indeed the case (and I'm not sure it is) this game sounds exploitable. Couldn't I just write a query against Equibase, or something similar, with the race parameters (number of horses, jockey records, etx) and narrow down the races and give me a best bet? I'd like to know more about it, but the thousand-foot view says that this game might be exploitable.</end quote></div>

you gonna bring your laptop and look up stuff on the internet while standing in front of the "machines that look like ATMs "?

I have to imagine that would prohibit you from doing that, or change the names of horses so you couldn't figure out which was which</end quote></div>


No, of course not, I'm imagining something much more sophisticated than that. You'd have to get a custom application written for it. It sounds like you get the number of horses, the horses records and the jockey records (this is clearly stated in the article). That alone would take a small screen that I could view on a PDA like the Treo or BlackBerry. From there, I would get the 5 most likely races that match the parameters. Within those 5 races, the number 3 horse placed in 4 of the races, therefore, put a place on 3. I don't have to match it exactly, I just have to get close.
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Old 09-20-2006, 03:04 PM
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They used to have coin operated machines that played taped quarter horse races in Vegas,


you not beating it because it would not pick the race to show you until after bets are placed,

would be shocked if that not the case here as well.
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Old 09-20-2006, 03:53 PM
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Default Bill offers new form of gambling-in Virginia

go figure... have you driven to Alberta?
i do, on a regular basis...

amazing that they (alberta) stay in business; if it wasn't for north cackalackey, they wouldn't stay in business... amazing; look at the license plates in the parking lot... we joke 'bout the JESSE's but, it is true... at least Helms was into his state (not so much when he gave up the agriculture committee to go with foreign relations and hooked up with the bolivians)... God bless free enterprise (republican mantra, et al)

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: The Actuary

They used to have coin operated machines that played taped quarter horse races in Vegas,

you not beating it because it would not pick the race to show you until after bets are placed,

would be shocked if that not the case here as well.</end quote></div>

That doesn't make sense - what you're saying is that they show you stats for one race but then actually play another? They have to show you SOME stats in order to drive the wagering - otherwise no one would play. Are you saying that they show you stats for a completely different race? I would think they HAVE TO show you the real stats for the race - otherwise they'd let you bet on 8 horses in a 6 horse race [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-20-2006, 04:03 PM
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really, we can hook up at alberta and beat the man !!!
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Old 09-20-2006, 04:05 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Onasoapbox

When it comes to easy ways to get money from taxpayers; anything is allmost possible.



The funny thing about Virginia's horse racing is how local it all comes down too--bottom line. For instance--I live in the LARGEST city in the STATE--Virginia Beach. It's land area is far greater than any other Virginia City. But to bet the horses at one of the OTB's ---I can't do it here in Va. Beach--have to drive to Chesapeake...

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Old 09-20-2006, 04:14 PM
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PA you make a good point abt the information-the machine I referenced did not give any information. They are in use at OP go take a trip let us know how you make out.

As far as database goes, not sure of their supply but have seen ones as big as 200,000 horses.
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: The Actuary
As far as database goes, not sure of their supply but have seen ones as big as 200,000 horses.</end quote></div>

That makes sense, they must be drawing from a large pool of races. That's why I mentioned that the program would probably return multiple races and then give you the "best bet". I don't have to find the exact race, I just need to find something in common - like #3 placing in 80% of the races returned in the search. I'm pretty sure that if you use something as simple as the number of horses, the types of race (geldings, claiming, etx) and the jockey records and maybe things like track conditions then you'd narrow down the pool enough to find some likely races.
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Old 09-20-2006, 08:01 PM
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I may be wrong but the machines in LV didn't have any capping info, just pick a horse.
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Old 09-20-2006, 09:36 PM
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TO LATE VIRGINIA.....Maryland just unvailed their version of this in a type of KENO game

Racetrax Monitor Game Unveiled at State Fair

(Baltimore) - The Maryland Lottery announced today that it is introducing its newest game, Racetrax, to the general public. The Lottery offers a sneak preview of the game this week at the Maryland State Fair in Timonium. Fairgoers will have the chance to see, hear and play the new monitor game before its state-wide release.

A monitor-style game like Keno, Racetrax is simulated horse races featuring advanced 3-D graphic animation that make the horses and races incredibly lifelike. There are twelve horses per race, with each race lasting up to one minute. Players can "Win" or "Show" and can even bet a Quinella, picking the top two finishers in any order, or a Trifecta, picking the horses that will finish first, second and third in exact order. The winning horse numbers are randomly generated and displayed on the TV monitors.
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Old 09-21-2006, 01:41 AM
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The Quarter Horse, or as my Friends and I called them, the Doodles machine(after one of the horses I hit at 100-1 a few times)machines in Vegas didn't have any capping info, but I swear playing them for hours at a time, I used to become in tune with certain Horse name/odds combos, since they were repeated, and I generally did very well playing at them when I played for hours at a time. I heard years later my instincts were correct and there were teams of players killing these machines, which is why Vegas eventually got rid of them. This was in the 80's- early 90's, and I'm sure the technology has advanced enough to remove those patterns, but it sure brings back great memories of Vegas for me.
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