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Old 02-13-2006, 05:53 AM
Scooter Scooter is offline
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I bet a qualifying matchup involving Jimmy Johnson for the Sunday Daytona qualifying. Johnson won the matchup based on qualifying times.

The sportsbook's rules state "Unofficial Nascar results immediately following the betting event will be used to determine all props and match-ups."

I assume that the UNOFFICIAL results are the results announced at the end of the TV broadcast, and that the OFFICIAL results are the post-inspection results, which resulted in Johnson's qualifying time being stricken from the record. If the OFFICIAL results are used, I now lose the matchup.

Unfortunately, this has never happened to me before. I imagine that Nascar.com had the unofficial results posted right after the race, as it must have been hours till JJ was disqualified.

I didn't make a copy of the unofficial results. I've been Googling for about an hour, but everyone now only has the official results.

I did record on VCR the immediate post-qualifying show on Speed, which posted the qualifying results, and it says in the upper right of the frame "Speed. NASCAR TV" with the Nascar official logo. But that's all I've got.

Can anyone provide me with a copy of the UNOFFICIAL Daytona qualifying results, or lead me to a way to find them?

Perhaps someone who works in a sportsbook has the original AP feed with the UNOFFICIAL results?
Or one of you Nascar fans made a copy after the race?
Or someone knows of a website which posted the UNOFFICIAL results, afterwhich the webmaster went to sleep, and the UNOFFICIAL results are still posted?

Thanks.

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Old 02-13-2006, 07:20 AM
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The sportsbook's rules state "Unofficial Nascar results immediately following the betting event will be used to determine all props and match-ups."
This rule is to avoid the scenario of paying one side, then having to change it and pay the other side. This rule says, "once we grade this event, we're not going to change it, no matter who gets DQ'd."

If they had graded it before the DQ announcement, you would've won.

Next time, get on the phone, and tell them, "Grade that NASCAR before they DQ my cheating driver!"
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Old 02-13-2006, 09:06 AM
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Are you saying that the wording is essentially meaningless, and that if they're late grading the match up then the Official ranking is something I have to live with?
They were very late grading.

Your explanation makes it clear why the book has that rule. But whether they're fast or slow to grade, shouldn't they have to live by the wording?

They can do it either way - Official or Unofficial - as long as they're consistent it's fair. But to word it that way and then go with the later/Official ranking because they were slow to take care of business is not fair.

But I know that it would be less of a headache to win this one if I had a copy of the Unofficial rankings.
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Old 02-13-2006, 01:01 PM
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The wording of the rule which you quoted is very clear ----"immediately following" is the key. Cars would not have gone through inspection at that point under any circumstances. Book will need to change the language in their rule. You might be screwed if it is an offshore shop ---if it is Nevada they will take care of it rather than have it go to Gaming.
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Old 02-13-2006, 03:36 PM
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Scooter,

I cut and pasted NASCAR.Com's times as reported on their websight a little after qualifying into a spreadsheet. Hope this helps (they listed Johnson as 5th on the web):

Pos. Car Driver Make Sponsor Speed Time Behind
1 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Cingular Wireless 189.151 47.581 Leader
2 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 188.877 47.650 -0.069
3 88 Dale Jarrett Ford UPS 188.850 47.657 -0.076
4 38 Elliott Sadler Ford M&M's 188.810 47.667 -0.086
5 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 188.762 47.679 -0.098
6 43 Bobby Labonte Dodge Cheerios/Betty Crocker 187.935 47.889 -0.308
7 7 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Jack Daniel's 187.786 47.927 -0.346
8 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Crown Royal 187.742 47.938 -0.357
9 136 Bill Elliott Chevrolet Ginn Clubs & Resorts 187.715 47.945 -0.364
10 5 Kyle Busch Chevrolet Kellogg's 187.570 47.982 -0.401
11 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite 187.539 47.990 -0.409
12 11 Denny Hamlin Chevrolet FedEx Express 187.488 48.003 -0.422
13 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet GM Goodwrench 187.406 48.024 -0.443
14 1 Joe Nemechek Chevrolet U.S. Army 187.402 48.025 -0.444
15 14 Sterling Marlin Chevrolet Waste Management 187.274 48.058 -0.477
16 25 Brian Vickers Chevrolet GMAC 187.239 48.067 -0.486
17 18 J.J. Yeley Chevrolet Interstate Batteries 187.208 48.075 -0.494
18 20 Tony Stewart Chevrolet The Home Depot 187.196 48.078 -0.497
19 32 Travis Kvapil Chevrolet Tide 187.106 48.101 -0.520
20 0 Hermie Sadler Ford Aaron's 187.025 48.122 -0.541
21 66 Jeff Green Chevrolet Best Buy 186.990 48.131 -0.550
22 19 Jeremy Mayfield Dodge Dodge Dealers/UAW 186.908 48.152 -0.571
23 7 Robby Gordon Chevrolet Jim Beam 186.850 48.167 -0.586
24 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Dodge Dealers/UAW 186.691 48.208 -0.627
25 16 Greg Biffle Ford National Guard 186.672 48.213 -0.632
26 99 Carl Edwards Ford Office Depot 186.614 48.228 -0.647
27 6 Mark Martin Ford AAA 186.436 48.274 -0.693
28 96 Terry Labonte Chevrolet DLP HDTV/Tweeter 186.382 48.288 -0.707
29 41 Reed Sorenson Dodge Target 186.289 48.312 -0.731
30 42 Casey Mears Dodge Texaco/Havoline 186.127 48.354 -0.773
31 61 Kevin Lepage Ford Amp Energy Drink 186.096 48.362 -0.781
32 21 Ken Schrader Ford Little Debbie 186.043 48.376 -0.795
33 12 Ryan Newman Dodge ALLTEL 185.774 48.446 -0.865
34 27 Kirk Shelmerdine Chevrolet Apex Electric 185.361 48.554 -0.973
35 15 Paul Menard Chevrolet Menards/Pittsburgh Paints 185.334 48.561 -0.980
36 195 Stanton Barrett Chevrolet Yippeenet.com 185.322 48.564 -0.983
37 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops/Tracker 185.242 48.585 -1.004
38 50 Larry Foyt Dodge Arnold Development Companies 185.128 48.615 -1.034
39 8 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Budweiser 185.124 48.616 -1.035
40 4 Scott Wimmer Chevrolet AERO Exhaust 184.854 48.687 -1.106
41 45 Kyle Petty Dodge Wells Fargo Financial 184.794 48.703 -1.122
42 22 Dave Blaney Dodge Caterpillar 184.566 48.763 -1.182
43 40 David Stremme Dodge Lone Star Steakhouse/Saloon 184.544 48.769 -1.188
44 34 Randy LaJoie Chevrolet Front Row Motorsports 184.540 48.770 -1.189
45 89 Morgan Shepherd Dodge Victory in Jesus/Dutch Quality Stone 183.576 49.026 -1.445
46 55 Michael Waltrip Dodge NAPA Auto Parts 183.411 49.070 -1.489
47 74 Derrike Cope Dodge MyGuardian911/Sundance Vacations 183.333 49.091 -1.510
48 109 Mike Wallace Dodge Miccosukee Gaming & Resorts 182.953 49.193 -1.612
49 23 Mike Skinner Dodge Bad Boy Mowers 182.771 49.242 -1.661
50 49 Brent Sherman Dodge Serta 182.142 49.412 -1.831
51 37 Chad Blount Dodge R&J Racing 181.906 49.476 -1.895
52 92 Chad Chaffin Chevrolet Oak Glove Co. 181.763 49.515 -1.934
53 178 Kenny Wallace Chevrolet Furniture Row Racing 181.594 49.561 -1.980
54 152 Larry Gunselman Dodge Pro30.com/Race2WA.com 181.214 49.665 -2.084
55 10 Scott Riggs Dodge Valvoline/Stanley Tools 180.890 49.754 -2.173
56 159 Andy Belmont Chevrolet YearOne.com 179.960 50.011 -2.430
57 180 Carl Long Ford RoadLoans.com 176.936 50.866 -3.285
58 17 Matt Kenseth Ford DeWalt Power Tools 0.000 0.000 0.000
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Old 02-13-2006, 04:54 PM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;...v=ap&type=lgns

Johnson, Terry Labonte disqualified after failing inspection
By JENNA FRYER, AP Motorsports Writer
Feb. 12, 2006

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) - Jimmie Johnson and Terry Labonte had their Daytona 500 qualifying runs thrown out Sunday after their cars failed inspection.

NASCAR officials said someone illegally altered the rear window on Johnson's Chevrolet after it passed through pre-qualifying inspection. The infraction was discovered when the car was presented after its qualifying run for a second inspection.

Labonte's car was found to have illegal modifications to the carburetor. The two-time NASCAR champion is driving in the inaugural race for Hall of Fame Racing, the team owned by former NFL quarterbacks Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach.

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"These were serious infractions," NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said. "I don't think we would disallow the times if this was not serious."

The penalties are not that serious _ for now.

Both drivers will have to start from the rear of the field during Thursday's qualifying races. The outcome of those races determines the starting lineup for Sunday's season-opening Daytona 500.

But Hunter left open the possibility of further penalties, including confiscation of the cars, suspension of the crew chiefs, monetary fines and maybe even a points deduction.

NASCAR will undoubtedly take a long look at crew chief Chad Knaus, who has been penalized repeatedly for rules infractions on Johnson's team. He was suspended for four races last season when Johnson's car failed a post-race inspection in Las Vegas, but an appeals committee overturned the punishment.

Knaus also has been fined on numerous occasions, and was the first crew chief to lose points when NASCAR began upping its punishments.

Hunter insisted NASCAR would look at this latest infraction individually and not judge Knaus as a repeat offender. Knaus did not immediately return a phone call from The Associated Press for comment.

"Every situation is different, but this is the first event of a new season and I think we want to start the season with a very thorough inspection and I think we did that today," Hunter said. "As far as any prior (infractions), this one is judged by what happened in today's qualifying procedure. We've dealt with those and issued penalties."

Johnson had originally qualified fifth, Labonte was 28th. Those times meant little in this one event of the season, because only the top two Daytona 500 starting spots were locked up in Sunday's session. The rest of the results were used to determine the starting lineup for the qualifying races.

Both drivers will start those races in the back.
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