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| Poker's New World Order Inside the world of jackpots and crackpots By IVAN SOLOTAROFFF Quote:
__________________ In 1998 the Department of Justice brought charges under the Wire Act against 22 American citizens involved in managing foreign-based sites. "You can’t hide online," Janet Reno, the attorney-general, warned Internet betting operators, "and you can’t hide offshore." |
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| 98% of poker players are broke including Pros Gambling junkies worse than heroin addicts No one wins in the long run gambling believe me
__________________ "JJ Call me a 2'x4' again on the forum and your going to pay" Sportman. |
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| So does anyone know for sure if it was charge backs that killed his site or is he just a straight out thief?
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| Wasnt he the one who was selling of piece of his action on EBAY
__________________ Stats are like girls in bikinis. They reveal a lot but not everything. |
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| Yeah, and it's lucky Russ didn't "win him".. lol, I'd be in big trouble! Here's a short blurb about "Gank", for anyone interested... (to be continued) pocketfives.com Gank Owns by sheets (this is an excerpt from a piece i am working on which details my experience backing the crew) ..."so it's a cold a snowy day in linkoping, and i am playing a small tournament online, and doing pretty well. Out of nowhere comes an emergency call from my daughter's school, saying that school is cancelled, mrs sheets is unreachable, and I have to come pick her up. Well I had been only playing on this site for a week, so i knew almost no one who played there who could take over for me. I called the one person who i thought could find me someone, the now famous Phil Laak. (as an aside, I refuse to use his stage name of "unambomber". I have known for over 10 years, and for at LEAST 4 nicknames). Now it must be understood that most gambling stories begin with Phil Laak. They dont "begin and end " with him though, as the oft used phrase suggests, because the thing with Phil is, he is like a small tornado...he comes whirling in, does his thing, and then disappears before anyone realizes what happened, I remember Phil and I spending 3 hours concocting complex backing and swapping arrangements for a 50$ backgammon tournament which neither us could probably afford to play. In any case, I got a hold of him in the middle of some cash game he was playing in some weird place with some bizarre rich people, and asked him if he knew anyone who could take over for me. He said.."dude , no problem, i'll get gank to do it"..."GANK??? WHAT THE HELL IS A GANK????"...at this point i didnt care..i gave phil my password to pass along to the GANK or whatveer it was and i asked him how much this "gank" would want of the winnings. Phil told me..."dude he'd probably play for nothing...". This is the essence of Gank, as I will describe many many times throughout this story." I said ok fine whatever and left. When i returned form my errand, gank was just about to go out with AK VS ACES on the bubble when i got a hold of phil and asked who this gank was?...He told me that he was roommates with dutch boyd and some other poker players and phil had been staying with them for a while, and that gank was the number one player on the site based upon their points system. Now, gank had long since busted out when I was still googling him to figure out who the hell was playing for me. It was at this point that I first learned of the crew, which was known about by maybe 6 people. Young kids trying to take over poker???I LOVED THE PASSION. Now gank sent back the small fee i tried to force him to take, (although phil still inisted on his finders fee of 10$), and I did some more homework on this whole crew thing. I had spent a good part of my youth trying to dominate non traditional occupations as well, so something about what they were doing really struck a chord. I dug up ganks email address through some creative poking around and asked him to get in touch with me . At the time , i was to learn, he was looking for someone to put him in the poker stars wpt event, and phil thought i might be interested, so we hooked up pretty quickly.. I basically asked phil If i should maybe include the whole crew in a backing offer, and let them pick which game should be played by each player, not knowing whrther one player had a particular speacialty. Phil told me that all that bologna didnt matter, becuase gank was the best player at all the games, so I should proabbly just back him. Phil, by the way, is very rarely wrong. Something about backing him in one tournament didnt sit well with me, as the whole invesment can go up in smoke in one hand. So i sugeested that he go to tunica, Mississippi for the world poker open events, and i would put him in all of them. This seemed counterintuitive to some, as I was putting up 3 times the stake in my scenario. However, I would rather increase my overall stake and diversify the results a little bit. He asked if I would give him maybe 10% of the winnings. He told me he just wanted to play. WOW!. Standard deals called for the player getting 50%, so i basically FORCED him to take 25%. As the tournament was going to start in 6 days, he had to get his act together and leave right away so his train from LA to Tunica Mississippi got there in time. HUH????? He was gonna take a train??? Through CHICAGO no less. He just didnt feel like flying. He told me he was all pumped...he was gonna play 30k worth of events, all games of very type..maybe 17 tourneys total including the main event ,..He was completely in the zone and ready to kill. Also, just to make sure he had some support down there, he called his friend scott fischman and basically offered to match scotts bankroll if he went with him to tunica. (about 500$ at the time as I recall)Dutch was going to be there too, as poker stars had just refused to allow him to play the wpt cruise event...(thats a whole other story). I was going to go as well for the last few days of it.. I was PSYCHED! I had GANK goin to tunica, ready to clean up, and continue my streak of NEVER BEING WRONG about identifying genius. ...what could go wrong?.......
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__________________ "The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." H.L. Mencken |
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| Sounds like this guy Gank isn't exactly the optimal character witness.
__________________ Joey Slats, Slats Fencing "You have some brass, son!" |
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| He had an offer to bail at an extremely nice price and it is not like a non compete would actually be enforcable- an unamed poster here was involved in trying to buy pokerspot, I trust the guy immensly-he swears Boyd just robbed everyone. you had to be around then and watch him string creditors along in the message boards-the guy is a scumbag conman thru and thru-they referred to some of the delusional bullshit he used to post-some of it bordered on tele evangelist type of religious stuff.
__________________ In 1998 the Department of Justice brought charges under the Wire Act against 22 American citizens involved in managing foreign-based sites. "You can’t hide online," Janet Reno, the attorney-general, warned Internet betting operators, "and you can’t hide offshore." |
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| I believe you, man. This guy fits the bill and I believe the con man description.
__________________ Joey Slats, Slats Fencing "You have some brass, son!" |
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| These guys were flashes in the pan like most other poker players
__________________ "JJ Call me a 2'x4' again on the forum and your going to pay" Sportman. |
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| Guy looks like Yzerman #19 ![]() Russ 'Dutch' Boyd shatters WSOP champ Joe Hachem's bid for bracelet number two Colorful and controversial poker pro wins stunning World Series of Poker Victory by Nolan Dalla filed under World Series of Poker Dutch Boyd Dutch Boyd Las Vegas, NV - Standing on the upper row of the aluminum rafters looking down upon the expansive poker combat zone that is the 2006 World Series of Poker is normally not a very good vantage point. But at 7:38 pm on Sunday, July 2, 2006 - it very well might have been the best seat in the house. Russ "Dutch" Boyd had just won $475,712 and his first WSOP gold bracelet in the short-handed hold'em world championship. Bent off to the side with his head bowed in bitter disappointment was the reigning world poker champion -- Joe Hachem. It was a snapshot that said everything one needs to know about the inestimable difference between winning and losing. Boyd's "crew" screaming in ear-piercing joy, jumping wildly up and down, and finally lifting the 25-year-old wunderkind up in the air as though he had just hit the game-winning homer in the bottom of the ninth. In the meantime, emotionally-wrecked Hachem was curled over in stoned silence with eyes shut, his wife Jeanie's arm wrapped around her champion. Greg Raymer, the 2004 WSOP champion and Hachem's pal, was there for comfort and support. The final hand was as amazing as it was shocking. After fighting off 1,066 challengers over three long days and nights, the heads-up duel between Boyd and Hachem lasted for two full hours. Just when it looked like Hachem might seize the chip lead, Boyd would suppress his rival's challenge, each time leading more and more credence to the notion that - love him or hate him - Dutch Boyd is a very, very talented poker player. Hachem pumped his fist in the air when he first saw the hole cards on what would turn out to be the final hand of the largest short-handed poker tournament in history. The trap he had set for hours hoping to entrap Boyd snapped shut, and Boyd was the wounded animal. Replicating the valor and persistence that rocketed Hachem to the forefront of the poker universe nearly a year to the day when he won the 2005 World Series of Poker, Hachem showed ace-queen to Boyd's ace-five. Hachem's hand was a huge favorite. If the ace-queen held up and won, Hachem would suddenly enjoy his largest chip lead of the tournament. If he lost, it would all be over. So far, if Hachem was writing a script to win a poker tournament, this is the one he would write. There has probably never been a larger gallery watching the final moments of a live poker tournament than this one. Packed ten deep around the stands already filled to capacity, everyone was standing -- all eyes in the Rio's 209-table poker room fixed on ESPN's giant television monitors. They all gazed upward as the flop came A-K-9 of mixed suits. Hachem's grin turned into a smile. Boyd's anxiety turned into distress. A jack on the turn did not help either player, and it all came down to a single card. One card was the difference between a quarter-million in extra prize money, and (certainly more meaningful to these two player) a gold bracelet. Boyd desperately needed a five. When the overhead lights glared off the white face of what would be an earth-shattering 3 by 5 inch two-seat voucher of ecstasy and agony, Hachem knew immediately that he was in trouble. It was a low card, but not too low. It was a middle card with an undetermined number of pixels. Then, as the card was tabled, everything suddenly came into focus. It was - depending on who you were cheering for, a fabulous, agonizing, beautiful, ugly, breathtaking, painful -- five. Indeed, poker tournaments can be exhilarating and excruciating things. The final table started hours earlier with six players: Name Chip Count Seat # Pete Hassett $148,000 1 Dutch Boyd $909,000 2 David Solomon $93,000 3 Joeseph Hachem $287,000 4 Michael Goodman $575,000 5 Jeff Knight $62,000 6 David Solomon was the first player out. The yoga instructor from Austin, Texas got short-stacked and moved-in with his last 25,000 in chips holding king-six. He lost to Mike Goodman's king-queen suited. Solomon's poker wisdom earned him $68,227. Next, Pete Hassett went out with king-queen against Joe Hachem's ace-jack. Hachem caught an ace, good for a pair, and Hassett went bust. Peter Hassett, a video game tester from Chicago was unplugged from the final table but did receive $91,917 in prize money. Mike Goodman was eliminated as the fourth-place finisher. The New York City-based poker player who recently graduated from college was making his first-ever WSOP final table appearance. Goodman arrived at the final table second in the chip count, and ended up falling down a few spots to fourth place, which paid $115,607. Jeff Knight said "goodnight" a short time later when he was caught bluffing on his final hand and was bankrupted by Dutch Boyd. Knight, a professional gambler (non-poker) from Las Vegas, cashed for $153,511. That left the blood-match that many, if not most, had been anticipating. In so many ways, this was a complete contrast of style and character. Dutch Boyd - brazen, bold, and some would say "brilliant." Joe Hachem - gracious, gallant, and good-natured. There were several notable hands during the final confrontation. But none was more momentous as - the hand with the five. "You walk into this room, you look around, and everybody is so good," Dutch Boyd said in a post-tournament interview with ESPN's Norman Chad. "I have been coming here for four years, and three years I have played in it. This room is so full of great players that I really never knew if I would be able to get one of these (gold bracelets)." "It's not like they give these away. I look at the names of players who have won a gold bracelet, players like Doyle (Brunson), T.J. (Cloutier), and Joe (Hachem)....and it's just amazing to be sitting here. It's an incredible feeling." Back atop of the rafters taking it in and watching it all end -- the picture was perfectly clear. Boyd continued his interview perched in front of bundles of tightly bound hundred-dollar bills, his right tattooed wrist glimmering in wrapped gold from the battle fought and won. There were photographs taken. There were more interviews. There was loud celebration. On the horizon, just over the massive crowd swarming around the latest WSOP winner, the reigning world poker champion from Australia shuffled away slowly in dead silence, consoled by his wife - most certainly the only person on earth who could share and empathize with the pain of the moment. Hachem tottered passed the scattered tables and players of an ongoing tournament over in the next section looking for an exit. Slowly, they began to stand. They began to clap. They began to cheer. They knew a champion when they saw one. Overall Tournament Statistics (through end of Event #5): Total Entries to Date: 7,246 Total Prize Money Distributed: $ 8,763,510
__________________ The story of Ricks Natural Star and the 1996 Breeders Cup Turf |
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| In a two horse race I am taking Zippy Chippy.
__________________ In 1998 the Department of Justice brought charges under the Wire Act against 22 American citizens involved in managing foreign-based sites. "You can’t hide online," Janet Reno, the attorney-general, warned Internet betting operators, "and you can’t hide offshore." |
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| <div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: The Actuary In a two horse race I am taking Zippy Chippy.</end quote></div> I cant remeber why thats supposed to be funny. Is that the horse that lost like a 100+ races or something.
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| http://www.failuremag.com/arch...rts_zippy_chippy.html <div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> "Zippy's been bad. He's in the barn," says Carrie, 12-year-old niece of Felix Monserrate, owner and trainer of Zippy Chippy, the losingest thoroughbred in U.S. history. The nine-year-old brown gelding with an attitude has, uh, a remarkable track record, having run 88 races without a single victory. The issue isn't necessarily Zippy's speed; he was parented by Compliance and Listen Lady (and is a blood relative of Northern Dancer, who won the 1964 Kentucky Derby). Rather, Zippy's problem is mostly between the ears. Over his 88 starts Zippy has had seven second-place finishes and 12 third-place efforts. Much to the chagrin of handicappers, trouble seems to follow Zippy around the track. He has been known to break at the start, pull up mid-race, and has even tried to bite other horses at the finish line. His propensity for flat-out refusing to leave the gate has led to him being banned from running at Finger Lakes - his hometown track in Farmington, NY - and just about everywhere else. "Every time I ask him, 'What is your problem?', he never tells me," chuckles Monserrate.</end quote></div> |
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