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Old 02-26-2018, 07:38 AM
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Old 02-26-2018, 11:58 AM
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These arguments can be easily defeated. The leagues have no idea what they are in for.
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:56 AM
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These arguments can be easily defeated. The leagues have no idea what they are in for.


Among other things the amount of money being bet in the US which somewhere between 4 billion to as much as 400 billion is often quoted is immaterial. The only number that matters is for your own state. That's it.


No matter what you believe or say after you read this half of whatever national total has to come from the only three states that matter. California. Texas. Florida.

These three not only have the year round "attractivness" of card feature going, but they figure one way or another in over 40 percent of the cards college and pro throughout the year. There are any number of in state and across these three states only matchups as well.

Any talk of any kind of anything concerning any of it is center around these three and these three only. These three will "figure" in the top percentile of wagers "attracted" most nights of the year. Any one modeling anything other than on this, IS A FOOL. So says The On the Street Fed Chief!


Your state is not Southern Nevada. Its not the insane at the drop of a law revenue figures that come flying out a blue jays ass at every turn, its the idea that people are going to instantly start going in and out of places and playing mad sums of money sport in and sport out, year in and year out, mostly on there phones at that.

No matter sum you think is being bet in your state one thing I can greatly assure you is that it was never bet in cash nor in person anywhere. No one on any side of the take advantage of this coin has any experience with it so ever. When it comes to the internet side we are talking about sums far greater than the reduced juice numbers you don't realise your quoting.


No one will be filling out a tax form on the latter just so they can bet huge sums of money "more safely" than they already are. On the former any one filling out a tax does not plan on doing any winning.


You think far to much of yourselves. You mistakenly believe people care what you think or were seeking your permissions as to if they can do these things they have been doing with IMPUNITY for Decades on end now, LEGALLY?


Seriously.
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Old 03-02-2018, 01:37 PM
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Post Let's play Jr Economist.

It was all right in front of you. All got caught on the no experience side of the coin in there plans. Now that all have split the country into three times zones and many are now seeing a more realistic piece for themselves at some point here is your modeling points to ponder.

Before I start all I will say is that all have to make a choice of Nevada or the sports leagues. My decision for Missouri is to not offer any game being played in that state. Only in Vegas. We have no reason to put up with it.
Any one going Missouri way is well advised go find a service provider outside of the state.



The only hook you need to focus people is a two team parlay pays 15 to 5. You are to say that 20 wins you 60 plus your 20 back for 80 returned. This is friendly across all models. Everyone thinks they can hit a two teamer. You can model to 200. Parlay cards to start are to be to 5 teams only. At odds of 7 to 1 for three teams, 12 to 1 on 4 and 25 on 5 teams. Again to 200 dollars.


No teasers in football. Like libor it started as a good idea that grew to proportions well beyond its original intent. Like labor its time for most of them to go. In the real world it will save you a ton of money. You do not have to do anything we do here.


The juice is on games around there is to be minus 115 fixed and not around there minus 120.




To end this the owners of the west are really happy about what I did for them and have wondered out loud what else do I have for them? Funny they should ask. This property was my second choice for the survivor program as it were.


Say hello to the Palace Station. Jim Feists office is less than a mile from the place and is where I put my tickets in for 6 years. My major peeve about the oceans of parking lots we have is how the plan came to be.



Your goal this weekend is to get your Jr Street Fed on and figure out what you would do. Look and drive the entire property. Ingnore the hotel and casino. This property is much bigger than it looks and will get bigger with some obvious enhancements. I Wii come back Sunday night and reveal what I came up with sitting at 0the lights all those years.
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Old 03-02-2018, 01:47 PM
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The Juice is loose again.
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:00 PM
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Old 03-04-2018, 02:05 PM
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Default Let's clear some more things up.

This responsible modeling thing is popular. That's because you can see yourselves now. That's you cashing out a 20 dollar 2 teamer to get back 80. 50 returns 200. That sounds good everybody says. Nothing like tangibility to make things more real.

No teasers. Who would would have think it. The state slumped over. A massive money saver. All we need here is the half point and ties win parlay and teaser card. In the real world just the parlays. The waste factor is tremendous. So many cards just go in the garbage.


No one saw the fact a Nevada licensed sevice provider could decline not to do so if they did not like the terms being offered. The language being put in by the Leauges and there cohorts the American Gaming Association amounts to demonisation of the people working in the business and the long promised verbal criminalisation of the pro leauges and cities that come with them. The ghost of Terri J. Lanni lives as well as the plan that goes all the way back to the hey day of the offshores.


The ghost of Pete Roselle also lives. The leagues especially the NFL are want to be bookmakers of the highest order and they want to deal both ways at that.

Without the leverage of Neveda has to provide a service, that deal is shot.


After that no matter what always understand that the leagues do not believe you can ever control your selves and that you will eventually all grow to influencer level participants and ruin the game. On sure.


How to spot someone who has been influenced as well as how to report is the key that helps "deter" that deal very effectively. No worries. I have all of you covered in many directions.

It would greatly help if all the Mayors out there as well as the league owners is to take advantage of this perfectly neutral tourney basketball we have by calling your local ESPN affiliate and ask them who you like and start hitting people with some hints and lingo about all this that they will work in for you along the way.


That is all.
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Old 03-05-2018, 12:31 PM
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Default It is now year 21.

21 years ago today a guy comes up to the counter at the stardust and informs us that Senator John McCain said he was going to make sports betting illegal. Vegas had made sports betting to popular and was fueling the offshore explosion. We had to be shut doen in order to save America's soul. Joe Lupo and I looked up at each other, shrugged, and went back to what we were doing.


Now here we are right on the precipice of legalization.

PASPA was a conspiracy between New Jersey. Nevada and the league commissioner's. Without sports betting no one would want to go to casinos they thought back then. Now it's what going to save them they say. Ha.


I was in that closet and planning my career around that little known fact. I was at the trop in 92 scheming away.

Still scheming away all of you are going to say. The verbal criminalization model is just as evident then as now. The AGA did not exist then.

Like many they are in career preservation mode. There jobs won't be justifiable as soon as it comes down.

So we are clear this an 80 year, 50 state takedown pending. Very few will be left. For what I have been through and the stories that come with it, I am not sorry to see anyone go.
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Old 03-05-2018, 12:47 PM
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Old 03-05-2018, 02:08 PM
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I would like an integrity fee from the NCAA.
Most of their schools cheat the system.

While we are at it, from MLB for all the juicing over the years.
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Old 03-05-2018, 06:23 PM
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IF MLB REALLY wants integrity, then go with an electronic strike zone.

I ran into Brian Dozier at the MN state fair last year, I wish I would've asked him what he would think of that.
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Old 03-05-2018, 08:51 PM
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Sports: Schilling attacks QuesTec, literally
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Old 03-06-2018, 02:08 AM
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Default The West Palace.

My second choice is popular. The owners and many others whom have spent good time there all say Yeah!
I don't disagree. The fact that you can stand back a good piece is why the west won. No separation. Spending a day at the palace will defiantly give you a fuller more rounded experience.


I can tell that just about all can see the multi dimensional three plus things entertainment complex all cities dream of. Your catching on to my style. When you spend six years waiting at three lights just to get in you can come up with a lot of things.

This property is big enough to hold four things with plenty of room for all urban accroutomounts. I mean all.
I was adding stuff left and right and still had room. Whoo.


Cowboy Nation you are on feature. First of all I want to say I have been living around the Thomas and Mack for years and that is not city friendly stuff you drive all around here. It is tight be tight all over. Its a wonder you put up with it. The first thing I moved in was all your stuff. The section by the first two lights going back to the 15 is all yours. It can hold it all. A stadium. Country music venue. You name it. You will defiantly say where has this been all my life? The set up of the surrounding area makes this a positively pitch deal.



Of course I put a stadium in. Back then it was NBA. However we desperately need a spring anchor and I am willing to move my it looks just like Diamond Back stadium along with attendent marketing plan to the palace Station lot. It would look really good there. With all the interactive thingys you can handle.



The next thing is more of a morph at the end of the day. Going all the way back to this 01 to 06 time period the locals here desperately need there own dedicated concert venues. It ultimately became three about 6000 seats each type venues. The labels kept changing. Call it what you want. With a dedicated country music one the property would have four all together. The small venue thing works well here.

People like shells. It built itself in the NW corner by the 7-11. Sunglasses and all. Add the grass and hill thing and there you go.



The best thing about this property is that is 100 percent containable. All the issues of egress already adressed. No ownership issues. Plenty of offices and warehouses right on Rancho and plenty of corporate style offices across the street. There is more than enough room for all the art, museums, food, mall and other stuffs.


Add all the modern engineering upgrades the regulars can easily see where they will be and what they will be and you have the only one of its kind property effectively ready to be redeveloped right now.


And there you go.
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Old 03-06-2018, 01:17 PM
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Talking Thank you. Thank you very much.

I can see this plan is popular. That's some peeve I have. Its not the only place. Mr Boyd would have loved what I did for the dust parking lots. If I had dared mentioned it to him when we talked about things back in the day. He came down to the book on a regular basis.


MLB you will love my innovative May thru August put that D Back gaming plan. They have Southern Nevada down pat. Double bonus points are available because this plan works even better in Savannah Georgia.



Cowboy Nation your welcome. I can tell you like what you see already. Room for it all. You more than deserve your own venue. The holidays would be vastly different without you.
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Old 03-06-2018, 06:46 PM
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"The QuesTec system in this ballpark is a joke," Schilling said. "The umpires have admitted it. They hate it. In the last three starts I've made here, multiple times umpires have said to the catcher, "It's a pitch I want to call a strike but the machine won't let me.' "

Schilling probably used to get the maddox strike zone, with strikes 3 inches off the outside edge. The umpire is saying he still wants to give that strike, but the machine will make him look bad. It doesn't necessarily mean the machine is inaccurate.
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Old 03-06-2018, 08:30 PM
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Of course the umpires hate it. Job security.

As you know by now, I believe in the fix, in most sports, if not all. I believe they umpires are for the most part, able to make a game go the way they want it to.

Need a high scoring game, squeeze the strike zone. More walks, more base runners, and almost any major league player can hit the ball if it has to be in a shoe box.

Need a low scoring game, open up the strike zone. You have a lot of pissed off batters shaking their head as you ring up one after another on balls they can't even reach.

Need 1 team over the other, squeeze one, open one. QED.

Now maybe baseball isn't fixed, maybe certain umpires just have tendencies to call balls and strikes a certain way, but just because they don't like the electronic strike zone, doesn't mean it isn't accurate.

So some umpires and schilling doesn't like it, I wonder how the batters feel about it?
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:12 AM
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i would think batters like it because of consistency. agree with umps/refs. lots of control in games. best way to influence outcome relative to spread/total.
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Old 03-07-2018, 01:29 PM
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Agree with you guys and would add UMPS carry grudges. Worse than any sport I believe.

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Schilling probably used to get the maddox strike zone, with strikes 3 inches off the outside edge.
I have watched a ton of baseball in my life. Schilling def got pitches on two strikes because of his rep.

I do think Maddux was in a class of his own though. I'm laughing as I type this because I have seen at least 100 batters take that 3 incher off the plate and go down. The look on their faces was classic. I would always say to myself "Don't blame the ump he is famous for getting the 3 inch outsider". Fukin protect the plate don't expect any change.....LOL
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Old 03-09-2018, 03:17 AM
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Default Now we all see it.

Without the DOJ, without the NCAA doing the blocking and later just threaten, without the politicians running interference, the false mask of protection is broken and the leagues are broken.

They have been caring on a holy war since the fifties. They have always wanted the card action. You can't fade the straight bets while everyone is watching.

If you are an old mob city with an NFL team, you were the first targets. Not that any one in those states or cities were asking for protection or anything like that. Just about any east coast baseball team was a target also. They understand street exchanging well enough.


I was greatly surprised by how many people did not realize how many careers are going to end with this. Without the false mask of protection a serious number of jobs simply are not justifiable. The leagues realized a lot of their contacts were leaving the scene. My PASPA story sent them on home.

Many of you saw the exact same set up in your states.

The last two things that broke national were due to electrical failures at Sam Boyd Stadium for crying out loud. In both cases the people holding a winner refused to accept a refund for which the people holding a loser received one. Nothing to do with the games at all. In the NBA' s case they mostly covered up the fact the guy could not get most of the games there.

No one ever has or will talk about that aspect of it.

Keep that in mind.
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