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Old 12-09-2017, 07:34 PM
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Tape was released yesterday. I hadn't heard of the case.

How the fuck does this cop get off shooting a sobbing guy who is confused and trying to comply.

Why not go cuff him. If he struggles with cop trying to cuff him ya still try physical force unless ya see a weapon no? Whats this crawl on the ground shit?
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Old 12-09-2017, 07:50 PM
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Do you yell and scream at somebody on the ledge of a roof threatening to jump? Of course not. Crisis negotiators are trained to deescalate the situation by staying calm. Besides that, could have tossed handcuffs on the ground and told them to cuff themselves. I don't know why the stupid guy kept putting his hands behind his back. Scared and drunk. Makes me sick.
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Besides that, could have tossed handcuffs on the ground and told them to cuff themselves.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:45 AM
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The guy was horribly stupid though. I am surprised he didn't get shot the first time he put both hands behind his back. I wonder what his financial situation was. Perhaps he has a life insurance policy, waves a gun around knowing the cops will come, and then sets himself up for suicide-by-cop.

If you got a nervous cop, who's telling you if you don't follow instructions you die, and he's still not following instructions. I agree to an extent that the cop was overzealous, but the man should have followed instructions.

I would like to hear feedback from police officers.
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Tape was released yesterday. I hadn't heard of the case.

How the fuck does this cop get off shooting a sobbing guy who is confused and trying to comply.

Why not go cuff him. If he struggles with cop trying to cuff him ya still try physical force unless ya see a weapon no? Whats this crawl on the ground shit?
I think part of the problem is, the cop doesn't know if there is still someone else in the room. He can't approach the man, and be dealing with him, if there's another potential shooter. So he needs the man to come to him instead.

The cop can't throw his cuffs, because he only has two hands, and they both have to remain on the gun.

Seems to me, this could have been avoided though.
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Former Mesa police officer on trial for murder testifies - Arizona's Family
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Old 12-10-2017, 08:08 AM
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Watched some other videos. Don't like the whole video wasn't released.

Yes he had a pellet gun and pointed out window to test scope etc. happened before Vegas or maybe he isnt so stupid.

Easily could have debriefed girl quickly to discover this.

The problem I have is he was trying and just to drunk but he did put his hand behind his back so he is dead.

I don't dislike cops either. All for law enforcement. I just can't understand how they don't have a better plan. I don't know if the cop was alone and if he was then call for back-up and hold him at gunpoint. AND why was he alone. Jeez. Why put a single guy in that position.

This cop didnt like having his body camera on either and had 4 complaints about force. So he was ordered to start turning it on.

There has to be a plan for a better outcome than what happened.

Jury saw everything not me. So I can't speak with any certainty but I don't like this one. Bunch of demands to a drunk guy who was obviously having trouble undertanding. How about holding him at gun point and call up some of the other swat team to respond and gain control. This seems like a better plan than doing it alone if he was worried about second gunman.

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The cop can't throw his cuffs, because he only has two hands, and they both have to remain on the gun.
Why? I'm betting you can keep a rifle trained on a drunk guy and grab your cuffs. Is this some procedure he would of gotten in trouble for because his camera was on?
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Old 12-10-2017, 08:20 AM
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I only say I bet you could because of your familiarity with hunting and large rifles Anal.
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2 officers. One could have thrown the cuffs. Yes. The stupid guy would be alive if he followed instructions but everybody reacts differently when under that kind of intense stress. The guy yelling at him escalated they situation unnecessarily.
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The moment the cop shot you could see his hand was empty. 100/100 no shots are fired and everybody is secured if you have 2 competent cops. With assholes like this, you are in danger any police interaction - even a traffic stop.
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And why wasn’t there a 3rd cop to guard the door and make sure somebody else didn’t come out of the room? That would be the threat. Moral of the story. Do not call the cops for help. This is what will happen.
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And btw, the Las Vegas shooting remains unsolved. It has been completely forgotten by the fake news. Worse and worse mass shooting in US history. They botched that too. Now covering it up. I guess a guy with a pellet gun brings the heat. Another guy bringing a cache of military grade firearms to his room goes unnoticed.
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There are excellent police officers and investigators. But largely they are incompetent and corrupt. This includes the FBIe. Living off fake news reputation. They are insulated and protected when they screw up.
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Like Anal said we saw he put his his hand back. The jury got to see all evidence and we get bits and pieces. Sucks but that's how it is.

Just kinda sad to see a drunken guy trying to comply but couldn't and he died.
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Police Body Cam Vid Shows 'Execution' of Daniel Shaver, Officer Found Not Guilty | TMZ.com

This one extends a bit farther.

The more I watch it, the more I have trouble defending the officer. The longer he drug this thing out, the more apt the victim was going to make a mistake.

Note to self, if I'm ever in that situation, I'm laying stretched out, hands in front of me, frozen for 12 hours if necessary. I'm not moving.
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In the TMZ image below the video, it apparently shows the weapon used in the shooting. Does a police officers weapon, really say "you're Fcked" on the side of it? Twice. Really?

I know military guys used to paint stuff on their planes, and tanks etc, but this seems a bit over the top for a police officer.
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