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Old 10-07-2008, 10:56 AM
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I'm the guy who used to defend Ed Hochuli (he was unfairly blamed for the Bettis coin toss thing, and some Seahawk getting credit for a TD when his helmet crossed the plane).

But I couldn't defend him when he got in the way of Joe Horn's post pattern, and I can't defend him today.

I always thought he and his crew were some of the best in the NFL, till this season.....Not sure wtf is going on with him, but, something damn sure ain't right lately.
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:09 PM
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His crew can't seem to get away from these crazy calls.

Last nights facemask/fumble a bad play.
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:50 PM
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His crew can't seem to get away from these crazy calls.

Last nights facemask/fumble a bad play.
Sometimes you just can't get the stink off you.

His image is definitely tarnished for the rest of this season.
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Old 10-07-2008, 01:46 PM
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Officiating is part of the bet. You hope for the edge, realistically want a fair shake, and pray you are not screwed. Hochuli and his crew are definitely having a bad year. Circa 2000, Ed's crew was criticized for calling too many penalties. Crews are different every year. I had the under and lost rather easily in a game with little offense. Two kick returns, two 50 yard field goals, and a blocked field goal did me in.
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Old 10-07-2008, 01:49 PM
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Two kick returns, two 50 yard field goals, and a blocked field goal did me in.
Is that all it took?

Couldn't believe it when Bush took the 2nd one to the house.
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:16 AM
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Is that all it took?

Couldn't believe it when Bush took the 2nd one to the house.


That was pretty sweet...Was good to see Bush break out like that..Two times in a game at that, that was impressive.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:27 PM
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When an official incorrectly rules an incomplete pass that was clearly a fumble and it is recovered by the opposing team, the play is subject to review.
WTF? What does that mean?

When an official rules a pass incomplete, he blows the whistle immediately.

This new rule, as described above, means one of two things will have to happen. Either the official will NOT blow the whistle when the ball hits the ground, giving the players a chance to recover it; or they will still blow the whistle, but the players will still be diving on the ball in case it eventually gets ruled a fumble.

Lord, I hate what the entire replay system has done to this game. Just wait until a player gets hit after the whistle and injured, by an opponent who is trying to recover a ball on the ground after the whistle.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:31 AM
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I'm sorry but, the "tuck rule" in the new england raiders game, and the end of the pittsburg/san diego 11-10 game both rank as worse blunders to me. i have officiated football, and I have had inadvertant whistles, that I can't really explain. But in the Tuck rule, and in the weird ending of the 11-10 pitt/sd game, the officials got to look at replay, and still F'd up. Inexcusable.
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:00 AM
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If you've officiated football, please tell me what part of the Tuck Rule play they got wrong.

NFL Rule 3, Section 21, Article 2, Note 2: "When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble."

Tuck rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:06 AM
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Agree with Bobby, say what you want about the tuck rule being stupid and all, the officials interpreted it correctly.
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:47 AM
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guys, you are missing the worst blunder ever in the NFL:



Mike Renfro was INBOUNDS!
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Old 08-07-2009, 04:25 AM
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Its a clear over reaction to one bad call.

They did the same thing with fumbles. The let them play longer, but when teams were wasting challanges, in situation where it was kinda obvious. They scrapped it quietly. They will do the same here

The only time they should let them play longer is in the last two mins, where all the replays all called from upstairs
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Old 08-07-2009, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobby C

I'm the guy who used to defend Ed Hochuli (he was unfairly blamed for the Bettis coin toss thing, and some Seahawk getting credit for a TD when his helmet crossed the plane).

But I couldn't defend him when he got in the way of Joe Horn's post pattern, and I can't defend him today


No defense necessary because it was Phil Luckett on all counts- except the Cutler fumble, of course
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Old 08-07-2009, 06:59 AM
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Wow, OMG, did I botch that one. Nice catch.

But Hochuli was involved in some sort of controversy before the Cutler thing, wasn't he?
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:55 AM
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Perhaps you are right about the Tuck Rule Bobby C, but funny, we haven't seen the call made since. I'm not sure I believe everything I read on Wikipedia. My frustration is how they pull a rule out of their ass for the convenience of one play, and then never use it again. It's very similar to the horse collar. You see it called a fraction of the time, that you see it happen.

But I may concede that they ruled correctly on the tuck play.

BTW, I officiate at the high school level. There is no tuck rule at that level. My comment about officiating was more aimed at the inadvertent whistle. Even just doing a few dozen games a year, at least once a year, we have an inadvertent whistle. It happens.

However, I still don't think you can explain the end of the Pittsburg San Diego game. The game was over. The officials came back on the field to look at the end, and incorrectly took the points off the board. They spent several minutes looking at the replay, came up with a phantom illegal forward pass (there was nothing remotely close), and incorrectly took the td back. It did not change the outcome of the game, only the outcome of the bet. Then 15 minutes later, they're apologizing for their error.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:12 AM
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However, I still don't think you can explain the end of the Pittsburg San Diego game. The game was over. The officials came back on the field to look at the end, and incorrectly took the points off the board. They spent several minutes looking at the replay, came up with a phantom illegal forward pass (there was nothing remotely close), and incorrectly took the td back.



that one still blows me away...i laugh off most of the 'fixed' theories tossed around, but, that one is all but impossible to defend.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:52 AM
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NFL is by far and wide the league where officials affect the outcome of the games the most. Baseball, the least. Very tight rules, little interpretation. Basically just balls, strikes, safe, out. In baseball, almost always, players decide games. NHL is next. For the most part, refs do a good job and avoid game changing calls. NBA is on the other side of the line. Terrible. NBA refs routinely tilt not only who wins the game, but especially the total. The way they are biased and inconsistent in calling fouls is ridiculous.

Then you have the National Football Lottery. The involvement of the refs in deciding the outcome of games is so heavy handed and blatant, they have made it impossible to handicap these games. That is the fucking truth. Gotta be over 30% of the games decided by bad or questionable calls. And it doesn't matter if it's pre-season, regular season, playoffs or Superbowl. That Colts/Chargers game was a joke. On that final SD drive, they moved the chains by themselves, one call after the other. Absolutely pathetic.

That's why Roger Goodell can go fuck himself when he talks about the "integrity of the league" when trying to block sports betting. Your league has no integrity. Your referees are a cesspool of incompetents and imbeciles. And it is accepted. New season is about to start and I know there are going to be more games and pointspreads decided by ticky tack holding or pass interference calls, or blown instant replay reviews or whatever else. Nothing has changed, nothing has been done.

Maybe I just have a idealistic view of how it used to be, but IMO the referees were fine up until the early nineties. That's where the National Football League became the National Football Lottery. It started with trying to protect the quarterback with the in the grasp rule and just went from there until now you have some steroid lawyer freak Hockulee calling an incomplete pass on a ball that goes ten yards backwards no deflection.

Fuck you, NFL. Fuck you. I'm already mad and I have haven't gotten screwed on a bet yet. FUCK YOU!
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:42 AM
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I don't know, I don't watch much Hockey, but aren't most of the goals man-advantage situations. Sounds like the refs have a say.

In baseball, you want a low scoring game, open the strike zone. You want high scoring, squeeze the shit out of it. Don't give em any curve ball strikes, make em throw the heat, in a shoe box, any of these hitters can do damage in that situation.

You want a blow out by one team, open it up for the winner's pitcher, and squeeze the loser's pitcher.
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:59 AM
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Hockey and baseball, how many goals and runs or basehits and outs are over-turned by penalty? Football already has a built in set of rules and structure that makes referees very important. Then they just go crazy with their whistle. They need to look at the entire rulebook and make it as unambiguous and interpretation free what is a holding penalty, what is pass interference, what is a legal tackle and what is not. I can live with missing fumbles and complete/incomplete passes. It's the game changing penalties that need to be addressed. Sometimes, receiver gets mugged, no penalty. Other times, receiver trips on his own feet, 40 yard penalty. Or receiver mugs defencive back and defencive back gets flag. That is what decides games 30% of the time.
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