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Old 09-15-2008, 02:54 AM
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I'm just surprised I didn't bet this game. I have already had fore badbeats in too weaks. For the record, I also have had too goodbeats but one of them was due to mother nature. I like Ike. I like Ike.

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well i am shocked. dont you know the numbers are fore, too and won.i think it's weaks and daze as well
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:18 AM
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I'm the guy who used to defend Ed Hochuli (he was unfairly blamed for the Bettis coin toss thing, and some Seahawk getting credit for a TD when his helmet crossed the plane).

But I couldn't defend him when he got in the way of Joe Horn's post pattern, and I can't defend him today.

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If I'm correct here the official response after the game was that the whistle was blown before the fumble so the play didn't count. For this to happen the official would have had to have blown his whistle for absolutely no reason a few seconds after the ball was snapped and right before the QB fumbled the ball (or threw it backwards for a live ball).

Which brings up the logical question, if there was no penalty on the play why would the official blow his whistle in the middle of the play with nobody around the QB during a pass play before the QB releases the ball? This should be the official question to the official explanation given. A question that is unanswerable of course because there was no reason for the official to blow a whistle.

It was rigged there is no other explanation for it.
No, they didn't say the whistle was blown before the fumble. It was blown before the fumble was RECOVERED. It was blown as soon as the ball hit the ground, because Hoculi thought he saw an incomplete forward pass.

Two final notes on this:

--Cutler blamed the ball. Those new balls must be slick as hell. Remember Romo trying to hold for a FG last year, looked like he was trying to catch a greased pig?

--Norv sold Hoculi down the river after the game. Describing the officiating, Norv told the press"He (Hoculi) told me, 'I blew it.' Well, that's unacceptable." Hey Norv, when he told you that, I think he was hoping that the conversation would be just between you and him. Thanks for telling the world. Don't ever expect another official to man up and admit to you, "Sorry, buddy, I blew that one."

Has Norv Turner ever won anything? He's such a whiny little pussy, I can't imagine men going to war for him. And I always think of Bill Simmons' article about playing blackjack in Vegas at the same table as Norv, who was constantly doing things like standing on 16 vs a face card. Does this surprise anybody who's ever seen Norv coach football?
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:36 AM
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Norv Turner has turned boys into men. He's turn average players into hall of famers. Anyone who says different of Norv truly doesn't know his football history.
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:52 AM
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I'd love to see Ed Hochuli crush the whiny loser Norv in his 27" pythons.
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:57 AM
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:40 AM
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:41 AM
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Oh man thats lame.

I know he made the mistake. He admitted as much to Norv who said so in interview.

But to start a campaign to harass is harsh.
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:36 PM
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Hochuli to be graded down - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

NEW YORK (AP)—Ed Hochuli’s acknowledgement that he erred on a call late in Sunday’s San Diego-Denver game will mean lower grades for one of the NFL’s highest profile referees.

“Officials are held accountable for their calls. They are graded on every play of every game,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Monday. “Ed has been an outstanding official for many years, but he will be marked down for this call. Under our evaluation system, an official’s grades impact his status for potentially working the playoffs and ultimately whether or not he is retained.”

The play occurred with the Broncos at the Chargers 1-yard-line in the final minute. Denver quarterback Jay Cutler dropped back to pass, the ball slipped out of his hands, bounced off the grass and into the arms of San Diego linebacker Tim Dobbins.

Hochuli ruled it an incomplete pass. Replay ruled it a fumble, but it was spotted at the 10-yard line, where the ball hit the ground, and given to Denver because the rules did not permit possession to be awarded to San Diego because the whistle had blown.

Denver went on to score, convert a 2-point conversion and win 39-38.

The play also is likely to be reviewed in the offseason by the league’s competition committee, which normally reviews all controversial plays.

“It’s going to require a great deal of discussion,” said Titans coach Jeff Fisher, the cochairman of the competition committee. “It’s happened at times. It happened in a game against us at Indianapolis years ago. … When the whistle blows and the pass is ruled incomplete, there’s just no way currently that you can award possession.”

For example, until March 2007, down by contact plays were not reviewable. That rule was changed so that they were reviewable, and if a fumble occurred even after the whistle blew, the team recovering it got possession

San Diego coach Norv Turner said he spoke with NFL officials Monday and that the Chargers sent in video of the plays in question.

“As for things that occurred during the game, in my mind, they’re done,” Turner said. “We sent the plays in to the league that we had in question. We expect to get a response back. Anything that we talk about or anything that is discussed in terms of any of the rules or any of the calls isn’t going to change the outcome of that game. That game is going to be 39-38, forever.”

Denver coach Mike Shanahan said honest mistakes always happen in the NFL.

“This was the best crew that we have had in the last 20 crews I have graded,” Shanahan said. “They did a heck of a job. Every game that you see that is within a point or a field goal over the last couple years, it may be a call or a non-call that wasn’t right, but that is the nature of this game. You have to find a way to win.

“We still had the ball at third-and-10 and had to get it into the end zone. Third-and-10 and then fourth-and-4. We still had to make a 2-point conversion,” Shanahan said. “It wasn’t like somebody gave us the touchdown. You have to go out there and still get it done.”

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones wasn’t surprised that Hochuli was involved.

“That particular official gets a lot of criticism. He’s a highly criticized official in the NFL,” Jones said.

“Nothing can be done. I understand that after that whistle blows, you can’t speculate, `Well, did everybody get the best shot at recovering the ball if some of them heard the whistle and some of them didn’t?’ “
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:46 PM
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:04 PM
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“We still had the ball at third-and-10 and had to get it into the end zone. Third-and-10 and then fourth-and-4. We still had to make a 2-point conversion,” Shanahan said. “It wasn’t like somebody gave us the touchdown. You have to go out there and still get it done.”

Get a brain Mike- you MorAn !

You don't TOUCH the ball again, if old, blind, Hock-a -loogie doesn't completely FUBAR this call...
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:09 PM
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Oh man thats lame.

I know he made the mistake. He admitted as much to Norv who said so in interview.

But to start a campaign to harass is harsh.


I agree...It sucks that it happened, but, tough shit, life goes on, get over it.


Hochuli is a class-act, imo...And probably one of the most highly respected NFL refs in the league right now...He screwed up, and admitted it...Move on, beyatches..

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Cowboys owner Jerry Jones wasn’t surprised that Hochuli was involved.

“That particular official gets a lot of criticism. He’s a highly criticized official in the NFL,” Jones said.







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In an attempt to curtail public criticism of officials, the NFL fined owner and general manager Jerry Jones $25,000 for his comments regarding referee Ed Hochuli made during his radio show on The Ticket two weeks ago.

Hochuli blew an inadvertent whistle in the Denver-San Diego game that cost the Chargers a victory.

Among the comments Jones made was: "You know, that guy is quick to call penalties. He's quick to draw. He's known for that. ... He's very quick. His crews call a lot of penalties. Maybe the answer is to tell people like that, "Keep that whistle out your mouth." "

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Old 09-15-2008, 10:49 PM
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I am going to leave dick-ulee a message at his office to see if he could reimburse me mhy 1700$ it cost me. its hard enought to pick a winner i don't need some old man with 26 inch guns making it harder to pick a winner!
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:56 PM
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send all your losing tickets to hochuli's law office lol
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Old 09-17-2008, 01:34 PM
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Thumbs down Two little Two late, Hockulee

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Ed Hochuli is very frowny after the disaster in Denver

According to NFL supervisor of officials Mike Pereira, Ed Hochuli is "devastated" at what went down in Denver on Sunday. If you missed it, Hochuli made an inexplicable mental gaffe--I won't call it a "blown call" or "missed call" because I think it goes a little beyond that--that almost directly cost the Chargers a loss against the Broncos.

From Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union Tribune:


No one, it appears, is taking the mistake and its ramifications harder than Hochuli.

"He's devastated," said Mike Pereira, the NFL's supervisor of officials. "... I was talking to Ed within 10 minutes after the game was over, and he was sick. He's still sick (yesterday).

"Everybody works so hard and wants to be perfect in a game you're not likely to ever be perfect. I've talked to him three times. He's really struggling with the fact he made such a bad call."

Hochuli's also manning up and taking his e-mail lumps. His e-mail address isn't hard to find with a simple Yahoo! search, and he's been bombarded with hate mail. And still, he's replying to everyone. Someone relayed the following reply from Hochuli to a message board at the San Diego Union Tribute.


I'm getting hundreds of emails – hate mail – but I'm responding to it all. People deserve a response.

You can rest assured that nothing anyone can say can make me feel worse than I already feel about my mistake on the fumble play. You have no idea ...

Affecting the outcome of a game is a devastating feeling. Officials strive for perfection – I failed miserably. Although it does no good to say it, I am very, very sorry.

Ed Hochuli

No one was more upset about the call than me, I promise you. I was driving to a friend's house after the game, and had to stop at a local convenience store so I could throw a child-like fit and kick inanimate objects. I said things about Ed Hochuli in the hours after the loss that could've gotten me arrested. Eventually, my grief took the form of a letter from Ed's dog.

But knowing now that Hochuli feels so bad about it, it sort of takes some of the venom out of me. It's hard to hate a guy who knows he screwed up and feels bad about it.

It's just so hard to understand why he blew that whistle. A ball went flying backwards out of the quarterback's hand. In what way would that lead anyone to believe that a play should be blown dead? Why would it even occur to him to blow the whistle?

It's not like Hochuli missed a hold, or botched a pass interference call. I rarely complain about mistakes like that. There are so many shades of gray on every play, and there's so much to see. Judgment calls will be blown, and that, I've learned to live with.

This was different, though. Hochuli wasn't making a judgment. There's no way he could look at what Jay Cutler did from any angle and conclude that he threw a forward pass, any more than you could watch Ryan Seacrest wax his chest and then conclude that mashed potatoes are delicious. It just couldn't happen.

Anyway, the man feels bad about it, he's been punished, and I think I can start to let it go now. Hopefully someday, I'll once again be able to look at Ed Hochuli and see a fine official with great pecs, instead of the guy who handed Denver a win.
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According to NFL supervisor of officials Mike Pereira, Ed Hochuli is "devastated" at what went down in Denver on Sunday. If you missed it, Hochuli made an inexplicable mental gaffe--I won't call it a "blown call" or "missed call" because I think it goes a little beyond that--that almost directly cost the Chargers a loss against the Broncos.
Who wrote this, AK? It didn't cost them a loss. It cost them a win. The loss was secured with that call. Learn how to write, moran.
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Old 09-29-2008, 01:47 PM
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some of the games yesterday the refs didn't like to maximize their air time a la hochuli.


usually makes the game more watchable.
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Old 10-06-2008, 09:43 PM
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Not one of his better nights tonight either so far....Can't imagine how they all missed that facemask...
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Old 10-06-2008, 09:43 PM
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How does this dick CONTINUE to have a job ??????? AWFUL whiff there !
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How does this dick CONTINUE to have a job ??????? AWFUL whiff there !


The whole crew appears to be favoring Minny for some reason tonight..
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