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Old 09-09-2008, 10:16 AM
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When John McCain won the Republican nomination several months back, there was some hope in the online betting community that he could move the party in a different direction concerning online gambling. McCain clearly has never favored online gambling: he has voted regularly against it, and in fact, it was reported that he couldn't even use the internet until recently.

The religious right were working hard to defeat McCain in favor of Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney because they deemed McCain not religious enough to further their causes. McCain is seen as an internationalist and free trader, and consequently with the religious factions not ruling the party policies, there was hope that McCain's dislike of internet gambling would be trumped by his commitment to trade agreements. The hope was that he would realize that the current regime's decision to rewrite its WTO commitments and thumb its nose at the WTO was not in the best interest of the country. In fact, for a brief moment there was even more speculation that he was moving in that direction when the online gambling rhetoric disappeared from the party policy statement, but the wording reappeared shortly thereafter.

McCain's true colors, however, came to light when he chose his running mate. In an effort to woo Hillary Clinton supporters and win over some of the religious zealots, McCain chose Sarah Palin as his VP running mate, despite her lack of credentials and her puritan beliefs. Palin is relatively young, female and pro life and in the end that was all John McCain seemed to care about. It really didn't matter about all the other baggage attached to Palin. In fact, it is becoming quite evident that neither he nor the GOP did much vetting of her before Palin was chosen as his running mate.

Palin, like Larry Craig and many other fellow Republicans, is a hypocrite. She says one thing and does another. Worst of all, she uses her power, position and influence to get her own way. It has been widely reported that as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska she wanted to ban a number of books from the local library that she deemed unacceptable, and she threatened to fire the librarian if she did not comply. When accused of censorship she backed off. She also implemented a policy that department heads had to get her approval before talking to the media. As governor of Alaska it has also been reported that she attempted to have her soon-to-be ex-brother in law fired as a state trooper for personal reasons and then dismissed the state's public safety commissioner when he refused to do so. This matter is still under investigation. This type of chicanery and underhandedness was seen by the online gambling community when Bill Frist attached the UIGEA to an unrelated piece of legislation. He and other Republicans wanted that bill passed, but they knew it couldn't be done by legitimate methods so a paper clip to the Safe Port Bill accomplished the goal. Perhaps the best example of underhandedness was when George W. Bush himself managed to convince a few countries to support the Iraqi war by posting pictures of trucks and claiming that the pictures were unquestionable proof that Iraq was hiding weapons of mass destruction, when in fact they weren't.

Since being named as McCain's running mate there has been much focus on Palin's family. It has been widely reported, and confirmed by the Palins, that their 17 year old unmarried daughter Bristol is pregnant and will marry the father in due course and keep the child. While that story in itself is not major news since teenage pregnancy is not unusual these days, what is concerning is the fact that Palin preaches motherhood and family values first, yet has decided to pursue the VP position despite her daughter's pregnancy, her son's imminent deployment to Iraq and the care of a very young child with downs syndrome. Without question, if this were any other mother leaving her children to pursue a highly public career Palin would be one of the first to reprimand the mother for her choice. As one mother who considers herself fairly religious and conservative said to me, "any mother worth a salt would never leave their family when they clearly need her now more than ever. If Palin had any decency she would have thanked John McCain for his offer, but replied that with a son going to Iraq, a special needs baby that requires attention and a teenage pregnant daughter, now is not the time to abandon them and bring them all into the spotlight for the media and other parties to pick apart in the political circus of a presidential campaign." Furthermore, blogs have been posted saying the father of Bristol's child has stated he really doesn't want a baby, leading to much speculation that the marriage of Bristol and Levi is a shotgun wedding perpetrated by a woman with a big shotgun.

As for her son being deployed to the Middle East: has anyone considered the wisdom of splashing this young man's face in the media? When the press revealed that Prince Harry was in Iraq he had to return immediately to Britain, not only for his own welfare but for the safety of the troops that served with him. His famous presence created a distraction for everyone and made a target of all of them. Track Palin is now going to Iraq with his face plastered everywhere in the media, possibly putting him and any troops he serves with in extra danger. As a mother is it worth it? Political campaigns can be nasty. Palin's role as VP would normally be inconsequential since the vice president rarely plays much of a role in government, but with McCain's health and age it is certainly not inconceivable that Palin could some day take over as President of the country before McCain's term is over. In fact, actuaries have determined that McCain has a 30% chance of dying during his term in office.

One thing that can't be overlooked, however, which clearly makes McCain a no go for anyone that has made online betting a major issue in determining who to vote for, is that McCain has shown from his actions thus far that he will let others rule the roost. It has been widely reported that the two picks McCain really wanted as VP were Tom Ridge and Joe Lieberman. His party essentially overruled him because of their more moderate social stances. Consequently he was effectively ordered to choose a more neo-conservative VP. As well, McCain's chief economic advisor is Phil Gramm, who favors financial deregulation and was somewhat responsible for the current economic crisis. He clearly will not give the banks any breaks in terms of implementing UIGEA regulations. By all accounts McCain's main interest right now is the war in the Middle East, maybe it's his background on that issue. He seems prepared to leave social issues to others in the government so that he can focus on winning that war. And as we know, almost all Republicans are against online gambling in any way, shape or form.

On the Democrat side, Barack Obama has really given no indication one way or another of how he feels about internet gambling, and clearly it's a minor issue for him. But unlike McCain who decisively opposes internet wagering, there is a chance that with a young, current, open-minded Democratic President there is hope to overturn the narrow mindedness of the Republicans. Every bill introduced so far to revoke the UIGEA, regulate online wagering, or at least study the issue, was introduced by Democrats. There is indisputable proof that regulating online gambling in the U.S. would bring billions of dollars to the U.S. economy and would create multitudes of new jobs. Hilton Hotels, Station Casino and others have indicated that they are ready to move forward with online gambling as soon as the opportunity presents itself and have presented business plans that show how they will address the reasons given by Republicans for why online gambling must stay illegal: i.e. underage betting, compulsive gambling and the fairness of games. Many sceptics, of course, don't buy the rhetoric and believe that the only reason those opposed to online gambling want it kept illegal is to protect the interests of horse racing, lotteries and local casinos who don't want the competition from online wagering. However, the concerns previously mentioned are the reasons given by John Kyl, Robert Goodlatte, etc. for refusing to consider online gambling, so we can only take their word that they are being honest in that regard.

It's almost a certainty that the Democrats will increase their lead in congress this election, which provides another reason to vote for Obama. To date any bills related to online gambling following the passage of the UIGEA have been defeated down party lines. More importantly, it was made fairly clear that if a bill looking at legalizing or regulating online gambling made it through to the President, George W. Bush was prepared to veto it. He was not interested in reasoning, and in fact gave England the proverbial finger when they asked him to come to a meeting to discuss the topic of regulated internet wagering. Plus, the UIGEA regulations were only seriously addressed when Focus on the Family wrote a scathing article stating the Republicans were falling down on the job for not having anything written yet. Obama, on the other hand, does not appear to be in bed with the evangelicals the way Bush has been, and McCain surely would be. Conversely, many of Obama's stated beliefs oppose those of the religious zealots. Consequently, it's a safe assumption that if a bill does come to Obama's desk written by the likes of Barney Frank, Robert Wexler or even a Republican that asks the President to at least look at the merits of online gambling, Obama won't be waiting for it with the veto stamp in hand.

David Stalcup, Editor-in-Chief of MajorWager, responded thusly when asked who he will vote for in the upcoming election:

"In McCain Americans have a craps playing candidate that believes that Americans shouldn't wager on sports because there is no way to know if a contest is legitimate. McCain would like to see all gambling on college sports halted to protect the 'integrity' of the sports and to save gamblers from themselves. In Obama Americans have a poker playing candidate that understands the need to not 'overegulate' individuals' rights to choose how they spend their entertainment dollar. Obama has stated that he is open to the idea of studying regulation of internet gambling; but it's apparent that online gambling is not a top priority for him. At the very least I believe that Obama will not allow the DOJ to continue its ridiculous crusade against online operators and that should be enough action at this time. It is clear that the better choice for online bettors and operators alike in the upcoming election is Obama."

This election is the most crucial presidential election for online gambling to date. If the tactics of the current government are allowed to continue unabated then internet gambling in the United States will become a thing of the past. In the process, Americans' freedom to spend their own money in a way they want to within the privacy of their own homes will be gone, and unquestionably the concerns of organizations like iMEGA (that is worried that more personal freedoms will be taken away, as well) will come to fruition. Naturally, online gambling can't be the only issue to consider when voting, but if it ranks high on your list of priorities then MajorWager strongly urges you to vote for the Democrats in November.

09-09-2008
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:07 AM
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now i'm confused

Its been a long time since there was someone as full as shit as Obama
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:19 AM
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Good article Hartley. But, with all due respect, it doesn't matter who wins. $$$ for Gov't will be what legalizes this stuff, whenever that is. And unfortunately, that's when things will get even more screwed up. I personally hope it all stays underground.
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:49 AM
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At the very least I believe that Obama will not allow the DOJ to continue its ridiculous crusade against online operators and that should be enough action at this time. It is clear that the better choice for online bettors and operators alike in the upcoming election is Obama."


Hope thats the case.
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:58 AM
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I read last nite that Doyle Brunson, a Republican, is going to vote for Obama because the "Republican party insisted on listing online poker prohibition as part of its GOP platform"

but then it was on G911 so who the hell knows?!

Canucks do like Obama tho, which i find really funny since they keep voting in conservatives

Poker Pro Blasts McCain Pick of Palin: “Is McCain for Real”?

One of the poker industry's most outspoken players has come out ripping Republican US Presidential nominee John McCain and his pick for running mate, Sarah Palin.

Daniel Negreanu - whose family escaped Romania and landed in Canada - has blasted McCain's choice, implying he did not pick Palin for her qualifications.

"McCain didn't choose the person he thinks is best fit to lead the country if he dies. You'd have to be living in la la land to believe that he made this choice based on her qualifications or her ability to lead. He did this to pander to not only social conservatives, but it's also an attempt to win over unhappy Hillary voters...Does the McCain camp think that female Hillary supporters will vote Republican now because Palin has a vagina?...Unless women actually do vote based on genitalia, I don't see how a Hillary supporter could logically feel an allegiance to Palin at all...

"You know, McCain talks a lot about ‘good judgment' and how he doesn't think Obama has it. I look at this decision and wonder, is he for real? This is no joke people, but he literally met her ONCE before meeting her again to give her the nomination. Once! He's known this woman for less time than it takes to play a typical $1,500 stud event at the WSOP and he is comfortable with her being a heartbeat away from leading this country and dealing with global leaders? You can't be serious."

And while McCain and Negreanu may have some things in common (they both love Vegas), about the only thing Daniel has in common with Palin is that they both love hockey. That's where it all ends. Negreanu is a vegan. Palin likes meat. Negreanu likes to play poker. Palin would probably like Daniel's head stuffed and hanging up over her fireplace next to that trophy moose head of hers. And, no, she hates gambling.

In a recent article, Gambling911.com Special Contributor, Thomas Somach took offense to Negreanu's pontificating.

"Is anyone else sick of guys who, just because they know how to play cards well, think they are qualified to pontificate on issues of political importance?" he asks. "You know NOTHING about American politics, and it shows. Lecture on the benefits of going for an inside straight or tell us when it's best to bluff, and we're all ears. But talk about American politics and you sound like George W. Bush talking about nuclear physics."

Most recently, poker legend Doyle Brunson blasted Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama's choice for running mate, Joe Biden. Brunson, a life long Texas Republican, told Gambling911.com he will be voting Democrat for the first time this November after the Republican party insisted on listing online poker prohibition as part of its GOP platform.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:18 PM
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If Obam a wins, my taxes go up $40,000 next year based on my current income. If McCain wins, it'll be tougher to bet offshore. Not a real tough choice for me.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:31 PM
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Palin, like Larry Craig and many other fellow Republicans, is a hypocrite. She says one thing and does another. Worst of all, she uses her power, position and influence to get her own way.
I would say that is true of nearly all politicians, regardless of party affiliation
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:42 PM
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Posted by Superfly:

now i'm confused

Its been a long time since there was someone as full as shit as Obama


I don't want to put words in Russ' mouth but I believe with that thread that Obama was full of shit he felt Hillary was a better choice for the Democrats than Obama. But now that Obama has won the Democratic nomination, given the choice of another 4 years with the Republicans in power doing what they can to ruin the online gambling industry or a Democrat who may not be so hostile, he would choose the latter.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:44 PM
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That was Howid's quote Hartley. Not Superfly.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:47 PM
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"Is anyone else sick of guys who, just because they know how to play cards well, think they are qualified to pontificate on issues of political importance?" he asks. "You know NOTHING about American politics, and it shows. Lecture on the benefits of going for an inside straight or tell us when it's best to bluff, and we're all ears. But talk about American politics and you sound like George W. Bush talking about nuclear physics."

LMFAO
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:52 PM
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I would say that is true of nearly all politicians, regardless of party affiliation
Good point DG!
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:17 PM
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"Thomas Somach"

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Old 09-09-2008, 01:19 PM
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If Obam a wins, my taxes go up $40,000 next year based on my current income. If McCain wins, it'll be tougher to bet offshore. Not a real tough choice for me.
Way to sum it up Superfly.

Not a tough decision. That 40k extra lying around will make it easy to fly out to Vegas.
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:21 PM
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If Obam a wins, my taxes go up $40,000 next year based on my current income. If McCain wins, it'll be tougher to bet offshore. Not a real tough choice for me.

Well if you make that much money (I believe I heard it was like a 3% increase for the Average American if Obama wins) then money shouldn't be an issue for you :).
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:29 PM
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i find it scary that smart rational people could vote for old senile warmongering RR pandering freedom/ civil liberties taking away republican after the last 8 years.

wsw and superfly..

didnt yall learn after the last 8 years. yall begging for 8 more?

isnt there a few more important things in life then money..especially when u already have a ton?

i just cant imagine after the last 8 years yall making the same mistake again.

mccain voted with bush 90 percent of the time....and they are both controlled by the RR.

please justify voting for basically 8 more years of bush.
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:32 PM
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If Obam a wins, my taxes go up $40,000 next year based on my current income. If McCain wins, it'll be tougher to bet offshore. Not a real tough choice for me.

its really not about gambling online.....its about the moral majority trying to dictate how u live and what u do in the privacy of your own home.

arent your freedoms a bit more important than a few bucks.
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:55 PM
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from WSW article above about john mccain.


I’m disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate or maverick Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist minister. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he dislikes that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don’t see that John is the “straight talk express” he markets himself to be.


good luck voting for this senile loon.
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I’m disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate or maverick Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist minister. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he dislikes that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don’t see that John is the “straight talk express” he markets himself to be.


good luck voting for this senile loon.
To be honest with you Robin I am undecided on who I am going vote for and on whether or not I am going to even be voting this election. I am ashamed to say I haven't followed things very closely and that article I posted was just something that caught my eye.

I feel like this election is a country trying to choose a lesser of two evils. Maybe I am wrong but it just feels like we are fucked either way we go.

And my comment RE: Superfly was a reply on his current position and not mine as I am undecided which I should have stated previously.
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I can't stand McCain, and wish I had another choice. I honestly feel that the last three elections have been the lowest time in American history, as we have not had the choice of a single decent candidate to vote for.

As much as I can't stand McCain, I fear the devil I don't know more than the one I do. I think the statement that voting for mcCain means another 4 years of Bush policies is total bullshit. McCain is nothing like Bush. The fact they agree on over 90% of votes is the most meaningless thing I've ever heard. Do you realize that Obama and Bush agree on over 88% of all votes? That's because almost all votes in the Senate are symbolic, like renaming a post office or changing National Airport in Washington to Ronald Reagan airport. So your statistic is just nonsense.

I think Obama is a wonderful speaker, a good guy, and would probably be a decent President in ten years if he changes his mind about economics. You CAN NOT pull the country through tough economic times by overtaxing the people who pay for most of the country's services anyway. It will not work, and it only can make things worse. I pay plenty, and I'm probably the most charitable person you know, willing to pay more if it's necessary, but I resent the position that I should pay more so others can get a free ride. I would tell you how much I donated last year to veterans and childrens charities, but you wouldn't believe me anyway.

I also don't know enough about Obama to trust him to protect America. Maybe he is strong enough, but I have my doubts. I am very much looking forward to the debates, so I can hear more about his thoughts on foreign policy. And last but not least, I don't think Obama will protect Israel, which is a big issue for me.

I love to gamble and play poker, but in a decision about who should be the President of the United States, online gambling isn't a pimple on an elephant's ass to me. There are so many more important things. I feel for anyone who can't see that.
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