About Joe Biden

[JC]

Just another Washington insider, corporate democrat.

http://www.nndb.com/people/023/000027939/

He was a proponent of the 2005 charges to bankruptcy law which made filing bankruptcy much more difficult. He voted for the PATRIOT Act in 2001, then argued against renewing it in 2005, before voting for legislation that generally renewed the PATRIOT Act's powers in 2006.

Biden is the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He was an enthusiastic supporter of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and sharply criticized other Democrats who were less supportive or opposed. More recently he has called for "decentralizing" Iraq, a plan that he says would give of its major ethnic groups semi-autonomy, and called for more of a US military presence there.

For decades Biden has been at the forefront of the war on drugs, supporting new prohibitions against methamphetamine, Ecstasy, steroids used by athletes, and other new drugs as they became popular. Biden wrote the legislation that created the position of a national "Drug Czar", and his Anti-Drug Proliferation Act provides 20-year prison sentences for club owners, concert promoters, and people who throw parties in their home, if "drug use" takes place in such settings.

He wholeheartedly supported the actions of federal agents in the Waco standoff, and visibly sneered at witnesses in Senate hearings who questioned agents' acts. He was a key proponent of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act in 1994, which banned some kinds of semiautomatic rifles, with a sunset provision that allowed these weapons to become legal again ten years later. The law also allocated substantial funds for construction of new prisons, established boot camps for delinquent minors, and brought the death penalty for crimes related to drug dealing, civil-rights related murders, murder of a Federal officer, and acts classified as terrorism.

[drunkguy]

and people who throw parties in their home, if "drug use" takes place in such settings.

hmmm

[StarnetGypsy]

i looked it up DG.

it's designed to hold people accountable who knowingly allow/provide drugs at public events or yes, private homes, but crack houses are private homes.

i would be more concerned about the patriot act ...

The passing of the Anti-Drug Proliferation Act was sudden but not entirely out of the blue. Last year, the Anti-Drug Proliferation Act was known as the RAVE Act (the leadenly acronymed "Reducing Americans' Vulnerability to Ecstasy Act"), a piece of legislation designed by Biden in early 2002 to put rave promoters out of business. An expansion of the crack-house statute of 1986 -- which made crack-den proprietors liable for what took place in their homes, even if they didn't deal drugs themselves -- the RAVE Act threatened those who "knowingly and intentionally rent, lease, profit from, or make available for use, with or without compensation, [a] place for the purpose of unlawfully manufacturing, storing, distributing, or using a controlled substance" with 20 years in jail and $250,000 in fines.

In English, this meant that anyone who intentionally let people do drugs at their events could be held liable. It also expanded the crack-house statute in two significant ways: Now the law could be applied to one-night events -- concerts, raves, parties, festivals -- as well as permanent locales like nightclubs, and it added civil penalties for violations, lowering the burden of proof from "beyond reasonable doubt" to a "preponderance of evidence.

[Dewitt22]

Gents,

Had to share.

My Mom just said, "Joe Biden Sucks"!!

Time will tell I suppose. lolololololol

Time for some cold ones!!

peace,

Dewitt22

[mjh218]

not shocking that he was for the new bankruptcy laws. His state houses most of the credit card companies who benefited from the new law making it harder for people to completely discharge their debt

[drunkguy]

FOR patriot act and FOR worrying about what people are doing inside their own homes?



Thanks, but I'll pass.


looks like i'm stuck voting for the wayne allen root ticket this year

[Oddessa]

it's designed to hold people accountable who knowingly allow/provide drugs at public events

another ridiculous law...targeted at anyone the Govt thinks has 2 much money, power, popularity, respect...

long before this they tried to nail the coffins of alotta big city club/bar/retaurant owners... ...Peter Gatien ...1996 -1999 ...... **cough cough**

BIDEN just pushed to get it writen in stone...

[Oddessa]

(x) None of the Above

[drunkguy]

Biden wrote the legislation that created the position of a national "Drug Czar",

great, the guy behind the most unsuccessful and wasteful public policy initiative in recorded history


I want HIM running things

[robin]

Originally Posted by drunkguy

great, the guy behind the most unsuccessful and wasteful public policy initiative in recorded history


I want HIM running things

no fucking shit.

its gonna be 16 years of miserable pos presidents 2000-16

[Crony]

Don't think Biden is going to be Obama's Cheney and call the shots.

Believe the Democrats to be a much more palatable choice than the Republicans.

[robin]

Originally Posted by Crony

Don't think Biden is going to be Obama's Cheney and call the shots.

Believe the Democrats to be a much more palatable choice than the Republicans.

they are both the same..only possible thing better about dems is they dont push religion as much

[Don Eagleston]

Obama picked Biden for two reasons: to get the Catholic vote which grows larger every day with the influx of Hispanics as it did with the Irish and Italians before them and to serve as his hatchet man against Republicans as Bob Dole did for Gerald Ford in '76. Personally, I agree that it was a crappy choice. As a Delaware resident, the only Democrat I voted against in '06 was Biden's none-too-bright son who was running for state attorney general despite taking three trips to pass the bar exam. I went with the defeated Colm Connelly who successfully procecuted the heinous murderer Tom Capano.

[Crony]

Originally Posted by robin

they are both the same..only possible thing better about dems is they dont push religion as much

Well... as far as Gambling goes there is a pretty big difference.
Civil liberties in general.

[StarnetGypsy]

Originally Posted by drunkguy

FOR patriot act

DG, most everyone was for the Patriot Act in '01, because they were lied to, then once they knew the truth, they were against it ...

"voted for the PATRIOT Act in 2001, then argued against renewing it in 2005"

as far as this last time around, he is a Senator, and the Senate proposed different legislation than was finally passed by a committee, then sent to Bushwhacker for signing.


In July 2005, the U.S. Senate passed a reauthorization bill with substantial changes to several sections of the act, while the House reauthorization bill kept most of the act's original language. The two bills were then reconciled in a conference committee that was criticized by Senators from both the Republican and Democratic parties for ignoring civil liberty concerns.[1] The bill, which removed most of the changes from the Senate version, passed Congress on March 2, 2006 and was signed into law by President George W. Bush on March 9, 2006.


I'd be willing to bet if people look at voting records of say Biden & McBush, you will see they prettymuch vote the same way, yet nobody is slamming McBush for his voting record? Biden wont be running things, McBush would.

this is all so ridiculous how the 'other side' is picking tidbits to slam a person on, yet they're also in the same boat.

and tagging people for how much money they make or how many homes they own is BULLSH*T. that's not what concerns me. i'm more concern about national security, our relations with our allies, the economy, and how we're going to move forward with new energy concepts.

the election process is a joke .... but it's all we've got. i just wish they'd all talk about what Americans care about, not what they think will dismantle their opponent

[drunkguy]

I'd be willing to bet if people look at voting records of say Biden & McBush, you will see they prettymuch vote the same way, yet nobody is slamming McBush for his voting record? Biden wont be running things, McBush would.

the problem is that if i wanted mcbush then i wouldn;t vote democrat anyway

[howid]

needless to say the clinton's are feeling somewhat snubbed.

obama's polical naivety continues to be puzzling.

[StarnetGypsy]

I'd be willing to bet if people look at voting records of say Biden & McBush, you will see they prettymuch vote the same way, yet nobody is slamming McBush for his voting record? Biden wont be running things, McBush would.

Originally Posted by drunkguy

the problem is that if i wanted mcbush then i wouldn;t vote democrat anyway

what i'm trying to say DG is that it don't matter to me what Biden's voting record is as he wont be running the show, Obama would, so i don't see why the right is slamming him for voting the same as their candidate did. it's childish at best, but anything to impart a negative uh?

all Biden is is a sounding board for Obama. that's all a VP should be imo. i know that's probably a very simplistic view, but what i'm looking at is the decision making process that Obama has.

he said going into Iraq was wrong. still we did it and McBush supported it.
he said we could be out in 16/mos, and McBush was against it yet the Whitehouse says we can now be out in 10/mos.
he said Afghanistan was the main threat, while McBush felt it was Iraq, and now we're beefing up Afghanistan.
he was against offshore drilling, as was McBush, then McBush changed to garner votes, and Obama is still against it for the most part but would include it in a overall energy plan if it would get the main projects approved.

he has been right more times than not, and that's what i'm looking for in a leader. all the Carl Rove swift boat crap from the other side has no relevancy imo, and needs to be put in perspective by voters, and i'm hoping the majority will also see it that way.

how did Bush put it? "Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice and i wont get fooled again?" ... or some idiotic interpretation like that? my point being we can't be so stupid as to fall for the same sh*t over an over again, or can we?

[luke m.]

I like Joe Biden, he seems to be bitter about everything! LOL!