A perfect example why I don't trust online poker

[Superfly]

Take a look at this hand. How can the nuts guy call this to the river if he doesn't know what's com? It's one of the worst plays I've ever seen.

PokerStars Game #19070749814: Tournament #96579901, $100+$9 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/07/24 - 16:15:47 (ET)
Table '96579901 2' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: SmoothDog5 (2947 in chips)
Seat 3: Exit4afilm2 (1742 in chips)
Seat 4: georges747 (1225 in chips)
Seat 5: PlayWMyNuts (4553 in chips)
Seat 6: undeeno (3002 in chips)
Seat 7: Consagres (2318 in chips)
Seat 8: Slavik_Krs (2000 in chips)
Seat 9: JJ stone-x (2205 in chips)
Slavik_Krs: posts small blind 50
JJ stone-x: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SmoothDog5 [7s 5d 3h 2c]
SmoothDog5: calls 100
Exit4afilm2: folds
georges747: folds
PlayWMyNuts: calls 100
undeeno: folds
Consagres: folds
Slavik_Krs: calls 50
JJ stone-x: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d 5s Ah]
Slavik_Krs: checks
JJ stone-x: checks
SmoothDog5: bets 100
PlayWMyNuts: calls 100
Slavik_Krs: folds
JJ stone-x: calls 100
*** TURN *** [4d 5s Ah] [Kd]
JJ stone-x: checks
SmoothDog5: bets 300
PlayWMyNuts: calls 300
JJ stone-x: folds
*** RIVER *** [4d 5s Ah Kd] [2h]
SmoothDog5: checks
PlayWMyNuts: bets 700
SmoothDog5: calls 700
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PlayWMyNuts: shows [Kc 9s As 3c] (HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
SmoothDog5: shows [7s 5d 3h 2c] (HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
SmoothDog5 collected 675 from pot
PlayWMyNuts collected 675 from pot
SmoothDog5 collected 675 from pot
PlayWMyNuts collected 675 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2700 | Rake 0
Board [4d 5s Ah Kd 2h]
Seat 1: SmoothDog5 showed [7s 5d 3h 2c] and won (1350) with HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 3: Exit4afilm2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: georges747 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: PlayWMyNuts showed [Kc 9s As 3c] and won (1350) with HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 6: undeeno folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Consagres (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Slavik_Krs (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: JJ stone-x (big blind) folded on the Turn

[StarnetGypsy]

gee, not sure Fly but if PlayWithMyNuts ends up splitting pot, why would it be rigged?

dont you think they'd rather win it all when taking that risk? or do you think it's easier to win splitting, draws less attention since someone else won?

[robin]

well i can tell that u are smoothdog bc i play with the other player all the time.

hes an omaha hi low prop at absolute poker with a virtually unlimted bankroll who never folds.

online poker is 100 percent rigged..but in this particular hand u just ran up against a clueless fish who got lucky.

or maybe u got fucked by rigged site who knows....but the guy u played is an overagrresive maniac who never folds for sure

[mikeymike]

poker is a waste of time. you can never win, most of the big name pros are broke.

[StarnetGypsy]

besides that, he had holes of 9s As 3c, so why fold when the flop is 4d 5s Ah and there's 2 - 6 - 7 outs?

lol Robin (*they're all fixed*)

i don't know whether sites are fixed or not, but when we were working down in Cr, and my friend got back from Gibralter after checking out software for DB, and told me how they could see the cards of every hand played, i did seriously have my doubts ... especially considering my understanding of human nature?

AP proved to us that there's always someone in the mix that can't be trusted when seeing the ability to snatch untold riches ....

[StarnetGypsy]

Originally Posted by mikeymike

poker is a waste of time. you can never win, most of the big name pros are broke.

MM?

last i checked Doyle was worth upwards of $300mil. Moneymaker, Negreanu, Raymer, and Hachem aint doin too awfully bad either .... even Scotty got a major boost this year winning nearly $2mil in the HORSE.

[ParanoidAndroid]

You're an idiot.

You got rivered in an 08 game and you're ready to cry foul. For f*ks sake, this happens EVERY DAY, EVERY HOUR in poker in the real world and online - that doesn't make your game rigged.

[Dell Dude]

Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid

You're an idiot.

You got rivered in an 08 game and you're ready to cry foul. For f*ks sake, this happens EVERY DAY, EVERY HOUR in poker in the real world and online - that doesn't make your game rigged.

Sharp post.

[Superfly]

Android- Be nice.

I wasn't part of the hand. It was sent to me by a friend who was one of the non participants at the table. My point is this- anyone who has ever played the game before can recognize a play that is so bad it defies description. No one who has ever played Omaha can make that play unless he knows the cards or coming, or he's the worst player ever. Anyone making that play on any regular basis would be broker than Dell Dipshit. It just makes me think there is something wrong with the game.

[Hartley]

Had your friend bet the pot instead of just $100 the guy probably would have folded. Just betting $100 gave the indication he was also looking for an inside straight. Besides in tournaments everyone takes chances. If it was a cash game I doubt the guy would have called.

As you know I have my suspicions about some sites and espectially low buy-in tournaments but in this case your friend just got beat by someone who got lucky.

[RaisinCapital]

Playwmynuts should have raised preflop and got that dirty hand out so no bitching later.

Why was he calling utg with rags for half a pot potentially?

[dinque]

Originally Posted by robin

well i can tell that u are smoothdog bc i play with the other player all the time.

hes an omaha hi low prop at absolute poker with a virtually unlimted bankroll who never folds.

online poker is 100 percent rigged..but in this particular hand u just ran up against a clueless fish who got lucky.

or maybe u got fucked by rigged site who knows....but the guy u played is an overagrresive maniac who never folds for sure

online poker is 100% rigged and i play with this guy all the time.kind of like every nba game is fixed and i play the whole board every night.robin,can't you find a better thing to gamble on or is it rigged for you to win?

[robin]

Originally Posted by dinque

online poker is 100% rigged and i play with this guy all the time.kind of like every nba game is fixed and i play the whole board every night.robin,can't you find a better thing to gamble on or is it rigged for you to win?

u know what.........fuck u ..U POS



U WANTA CALL ME OUT .


U are a clueless pos who couldnt gamble with me when your life was on the line.

[robin]

Originally Posted by dinque

online poker is 100% rigged and i play with this guy all the time.kind of like every nba game is fixed and i play the whole board every night.robin,can't you find a better thing to gamble on or is it rigged for you to win?

i have played millions of hands ....a lot of them them said player...


u want to call me out

why?

[robin]

most of yall sound like nostaw.........a clueless puttz who has never gambled .

im probably one of 2 maybe 3 that actually plays for a living.




im drunk as fuck........dinque do u play poker for a living?




because im pretty sure out of all u rejects u have ran off anyone who had a clue.

[robin]

Originally Posted by dinque

online poker is 100% rigged and i play with this guy all the time.kind of like every nba game is fixed and i play the whole board every night.robin,can't you find a better thing to gamble on or is it rigged for you to win?

u dont even gamble on poker ..or any american sport so please..sffu

i have never busted your balls...



unless u wanta sit next to nostaw at the next bash stfu

[indio]

This might be one of the dumbest threads I've ever witnessed. This wouldn't even be in the top 1000 examples of bad play. To start a thread about "rigged" online poker, and using that as an example is ludicrous.

Do I fold the hand, yes. But analyze the plays, and it's certainly no reason for "conspiracy" theories. With 400 in the pot, the flop is A-4-5 rainbow. 2 players check to you, and you make a very small bet of 100. With a bet this small, and his stack and his position, he can make this call and see what the first 2 players will do. If one of the first 2 call or raise, he knows he's drawing against the nuts and can fold to a raise. But if the first 2 fold, and then you check leading out the turn, he can try to take the pot down with a moderate bet on the turn, or take a free card. A small bet like your 100 lead can be perceived as a steal attempt and 100 isn't going to really affect him with his stack. The turn card is a K, and you bet 300. He has picked up top 2 pair and still has a low draw. With 900 in the pot, he decides to see the river for 300 more. Not a great play, but it's not unthinkably awful like you want to make it out. If a 6 or 7 had fell on the river, he might make a crying call on the river for 300 more, and then you would be real happy he made 2 marginal calls, instead of whining publicly. In fact, if he knows what is coming like you claim, why doesn't he raise you on the turn and get you to put more money in there before a scare card might come up?

I don't understand when people say online poker is "rigged" , and then not explain in more detail what they mean. ( not directed at you Robin, I know your views and while i disagree with it, i respect your opinion). I mean, there are tens of thousands of tables going on at the same time, so is there someone manipulating what river card comes on every table? Of course not, that's silly. Does cheating occur in online poker? Of course it does. Does cheating happen in brick and mortar games? Of course it does. In fact, name me one game where cheating never happens? ( I say chess maybe, so someone can enlighten me as how to cheat at chess).

I'm no mathamatician, but I've been told there is no truly Random way to generate numerical sequences by a computer program. So I'll go along that even a sophisticated RNG is not truly random. And the Absolute and Ultimate Bet scandals have told us that there are "inside" people who can see the whole cards, and if they choose to be thieves, they can. And I'll admit, there are some times I play, and I see things that are just mind-boggling. But I have played enough live and online to understand that those things can happen. Especially when your dealing with only 52 cards. The worst beats I ever had were with a dealer at a casino.

I have a 61% winning percentage in HU matches playing online with over 1500 matches played. Considering the starting stacks, the blind levels, etc.., and with the luck factor playing a part, I'd say that's not bad. These are at $20-30 a match. If I were to play $200 a match, the winning % would go down due to better competition. If online poker were "rigged", wouldn't everyone be around 50% and have to deposit?

People can believe whatever they want, but the example given here is horrible. And when people clamor that online poker is "rigged", could you please be more specific, and explain how the manipulation process is working, who benefits, and how?

[StarnetGypsy]

Well said, Indio.

It sums up what i had on my mind but you said it so much better

[Dell Dude]

Originally Posted by indio

This might be one of the dumbest threads I've ever witnessed. This wouldn't even be in the top 1000 examples of bad play. To start a thread about "rigged" online poker, and using that as an example is ludicrous.

Another sharp post.