The Truth about Touts, Part I...By Jay Graziani

[Bitter Bruin]

Originally Posted by drunkguy

Juice

I can't disagree with you there, someone is getting that square money so what's the difference if it's the touts or the bookies?

The problem is when the poor guy has to pay the touts AND the bookie

What happens when you have a guy that would only bet 2-3 games a week, but now he has a service telling him to play 10. And of course he bets more since now he has a "professional" opinion. And then he starts chasing as those 10 star plays start becoming 200 and 500 star plays. So he gets completely buried. That type of story is unfortunately not very rare.

Great response!

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Juice:

You care to translate that to English?

[Juice]

Originally Posted by drunkguy

Juice

I can't disagree with you there, someone is getting that square money so what's the difference if it's the touts or the bookies?

The problem is when the poor guy has to pay the touts AND the bookie

What happens when you have a guy that would only bet 2-3 games a week, but now he has a service telling him to play 10. And of course he bets more since now he has a "professional" opinion. And then he starts chasing as those 10 star plays start becoming 200 and 500 star plays. So he gets completely buried. That type of story is unfortunately not very rare.

Its rare in toutdom that you are going to sign up a guy only playing 2-3 games a week. At least in my expierence. A person with that type of control aint buying no tout service. Why would they? There may be a few when there losing that do, but by and large the people buying are playing there games, the touts games, the free pick sites and anything else that appeals to them and, or is on tv. (I could tell stories for days.)

Many of you imagine that these guys do what they are told and follow the program exactly. I reality they do the exact opposite. They pay more than one service at a time, buy games off the net, play there own games, there friends games and constantly search for info to validate there shaky opinions on other games.

The things I saw working behind the scenes of the proline show is mind boggling enough alone in that regard. Forget the tens of millions they/we put up on the board at Feist over the years. An average of 9.3 million a year, credit card or wire only, the sales room only, for the 5.5 years I was there. From so called squares no less. HA. There anything but that. Believe me.


There going to get buried regardless of whether a tout is there to help them or not.

The real problem is how are they going to pay there bills. Many, unfortunatly, will pay there bookie so that they can keep playing, than pay there bills. This is not the touts problem. We only do what people let us do. Using only the power of our voice and persuasion to do it with at that. Over the phone no less, from1 mile away to 10,000+ miles away. It dont matter.


In the end some of the real truths of toutdom are very opposite of what you think.

Its a pure devestating psycholgy at play and it aint being preputated by the touts. This I can assure you.

[Juice]

Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Juice:

You care to translate that to English?

What didn't you understand?

[Johnny Detroit]

Not sure about Phil, but MIL paid Lawrence ad revenue, not a sheet.

I got my start in the consensus business, so I have seen up to 100+ services at a time each gameday. Unlike the forums that are random and sometime not acccurate, we kept records. The majority, if not more than the majority sucked. You would have people go hot for a season than die the next.

Two main people that I respect very much are Edward at Right Angle Sports and Vegas Runner at Pregame.com. Edward because he makes money almost every year in CBB and right now is close to 70% in the WNBA. He moves sides by 1+ points and totals from 2-3+. Vegas Runner because I have personally met him and he is a former mover from PHI who went to Vegas. He plays tons of volume, but he also makes money if you follow him the way he should be played. I also am friends with Marco D'Angelo who owns Sports Unlimited and I know he personal handicaps the board and bets his stuff. Do not want to leave others out, but those would be my main three.

Funny story is back at the first Gambling Conference hosted by Lawrence from Who2BetOn (before Bodog stole his idea), we were at this strip club watching the CFB Kick Off game. Tons of touts were there and many were rooting for their side so they could push a big GOY or something the following day. So I ask how much money they had riding and the majority gave me the dumb look, like what???? lol. Another tout told me this classic story one time (names left out of course). He is golfing with a fellow tout and he is asking who he likes because they have been promoting this GOY all week and he needs to figure out what to use. So the 2nd tout goes the whole course explaining why he needs to take X over Y. The following day, he gives Y instead of X and Y wins easy. Funny to know even touts sometimes take the opposite of each other for big games!

Personally, I have a small list of clients and have done quite well over the last few years. Never push it or made it pick on the picks side due to not having GOYs or catchy names. Last season I hit 56% (38-32) in the NFL and split in the NFL Playoffs. We did better in CFB (recapped below)

The year before is when I had a better NFL season, going 66% (41-21) in the regular season, 8-4 in the playoffs.

05 was a split year, but in 2004 went 29-17 for 63% for the regular season and 4-0 in the playoffs.

CFB has either been a grind with a small profit, but last year we did 60% (40-27) in the CFB. Went 7-2 in the CFB Bowls.

06 was a wash in CFB, but we did well in the NFL.

2005 was a wash in both CFB and NFL.

2004 was our best year in CFB, we went 43-18 for 70.49%.

Not including bowls, nflx or playoffs, which tend to pad the record, regaulr season football combined:

2007 77-59 56.62%
2006 76-57 57.14%
2005 58-51 53.21%
2004 72-35 67.27%

The problem on my end is one again I feel cheesy saying GOY. Also, with all the scammers brainwashing people into thinking 60-70% is needed to win, hard to sell someone on a 58.3% football record over 4 years........

[Rogthedodger]

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[Uncle B]

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was waiting for Part 2 to hit....thanks..