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Old 05-24-2008, 12:13 PM
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The way you feel about UIGEA is the same way gun owners feel about gun control. As an intrusion on their hobby, passion, and business. Probably somebody in another forum somewhere asking why people are fascinated so much with gambling, and starts cutting and pasting all the bad shit and lives destroyed by it. Personal responsibility is the same argument on both guns and gambling.
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Old 05-24-2008, 12:16 PM
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I blame it on the upbringing of children today. There is no more discipline in households because kids are threatening their parents to call CPS these days. No more paddles or pops given in schools today. Role models of society are fucken thugs like 50 cent and NBA players with all these fucken tattoos. Every kid wants to be gangster like with all the rap videos and shit. Our media is money driven. They put shit on T.V. that sells. It is only going to get worse and that the most depressing about it all! Ethics and Morals of society will only get worse. A good ass kicking will do more for straightening up some one than any court or rehab!
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Old 05-24-2008, 12:38 PM
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what makes no sense is the guy is handing out coupons to purchase a gun. so people still have to go to the store to get it and if you're a criminal looking for a gun because you can't buy one legally because of your criminal record the coupon is useless. why not just give a 250 dollar rebate?
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:26 PM
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The way you feel about UIGEA is the same way gun owners feel about gun control. As an intrusion on their hobby, passion, and business. Probably somebody in another forum somewhere asking why people are fascinated so much with gambling, and starts cutting and pasting all the bad shit and lives destroyed by it. Personal responsibility is the same argument on both guns and gambling.
Very well put my friend.

So many of the so-called libertarians around here love to defends rights that are merely implied by the constitution but they stand silent when it comes a right that is very specifically enumerated in the 2nd Amendment.
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:29 PM
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"Probably somebody in another forum somewhere asking why people are fascinated so much with gambling, and starts cutting and pasting all the bad shit and lives destroyed by it"

But gambling is not causing 1000's of deaths per year
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:47 PM
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Slippery, it probably is in a indirect way! LOL!
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:56 PM
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"Probably somebody in another forum somewhere asking why people are fascinated so much with gambling, and starts cutting and pasting all the bad shit and lives destroyed by it"

But gambling is not causing 1000's of deaths per year
So because a very small percentage of guns are used in crimes you believe a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution should be taken away from all citizens?

Kind of like how small percentage of internet gamblers who piss away Junior's college money playing poker should lead to all online gambling being outlawed?

If you want to be a libertarian then you have to live with some of the consequences.

Gun ownership, legalized marijuana and legal gambling all have some negative consequences for a small minority of those involved. Yet in my mind, all three should be legal.
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:02 PM
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Guns are nice

becoming more and more popular these days especially with kids these days

you can really use them for anything nowadays
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Old 05-25-2008, 06:36 AM
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Keep up the good work Luke and Ironlock!
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Old 05-25-2008, 11:03 AM
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"Probably somebody in another forum somewhere asking why people are fascinated so much with gambling, and starts cutting and pasting all the bad shit and lives destroyed by it"

But gambling is not causing 1000's of deaths per year
I blame the gun as much as I blame the roulette wheel for John Doe stealing from the company and emptying little Jimmy's college fund.

And I am not a hard core gun guy.

Just find it ridiculous you can take the personal responsibility stance on gambling regulation, and not on guns.

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Old 05-25-2008, 11:22 AM
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I blame the gun as much as I blame the roulette wheel for John Doe stealing from the company and emptying little Jimmy's college fund.

And I am not a hard core gun guy.

Just find it ridiculous you can take the personal responsibility stance on gambling regulation, and not on guns.
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Old 05-26-2008, 11:34 AM
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The way you feel about UIGEA is the same way gun owners feel about gun control. As an intrusion on their hobby, passion, and business. Probably somebody in another forum somewhere asking why people are fascinated so much with gambling, and starts cutting and pasting all the bad shit and lives destroyed by it. Personal responsibility is the same argument on both guns and gambling.


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Old 05-26-2008, 12:56 PM
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The way you feel about UIGEA is the same way gun owners feel about gun control. As an intrusion on their hobby, passion, and business

If the guns were truly used as a hobby i.e. unloaded and on display like a coin or stamp collection I would understand it. But people keep them as status symbols plus I've heard over and over in this thread that it's in case it has to be used on another person.

Bottom lines are guns can be lethal. Social vices like gambling aren't.

I wonder if anyone in this thread would feel the same way if someone kept a household full of pitbulls and rotweillers or vials of anthrax which he always took with him just in case they are ever needed on someone else.

As for the constitution argument, things change. The original U.S. constitution had a clause which required people to assist in returning escaping slaves if they tried to run away. I somehow doubt James Madison envisioned guns being used the way they are today when he put forward the second amendment.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:36 PM
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I have a pretty sweet collection of firearms...I've never shot at anyone who didn't deserve to be shot at.


See, we just need all firearm owners to be responsible, upstanding citizens like me....The world would be much different if that were the case, i guarantee it..
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:52 PM
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"As for the consititution arguement, things change."

Very slippery slope.

You give the lawyers a little rope to work with and you will often be sorry.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:58 PM
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Reminds me of the All in the Family skit where Archie suggests the best way to stop hijackings is to give everyone on the plane a gun. I guess if I was American it would make more sense to me. I'm sure there are many things Canadians take for granted that make no sense to Americans.
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Old 05-26-2008, 02:04 PM
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Archie also said to have a shute right in front of the tellers window at the bank, so when a robber held up the bavk the teller would just hit a button which would open up the shute and the robber would slide right into the police station.


hmmmm, not a bad idea.
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Old 05-26-2008, 02:16 PM
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Hartley, 50% of America is now on some sort of prescription drug. Maybe, its the prescription drugs thats making us so obese and paranoid! LOL!
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Old 05-26-2008, 11:48 PM
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As for the constitution argument, things change.
I think Hitler said the exact same thing about the Weimar Constitution.

Historically, the ban and confiscation of privately owned arms is on the FIRST PAGE of every dictator's playbook.

If the PEOPLE of the US want to change the Constitution, they will do so through their elected representatives. Just because YOU and those in YOUR country believe a course of action is correct does not make it so for others. And if I'm not mistaken, in Western Canada the ownership of firearms is still quite common. I take it you are from the East?
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