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Old 03-13-2008, 08:38 AM
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Default Prime time to legalize sports betting as Ontario revenue source

Prime time to legalize sports betting as Ontario revenue source

March 13, 2008
Dave Perkins
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It's clear tourism in Ontario faces major challenges, one reason Greg Sorbara was tabbed to run another study to confirm what seems readily apparent. Both Sorbara and tourism minister Peter Fonseca this week made speeches about Ontario needing to offer something new and exciting to draw travellers.

So here's the answer: sports gambling done properly. Seriously.

Get the feds to change the criminal code as it relates to single-game betting and let it rip across the country. Build large, Las Vegas-style race and sports books, the way the biggest casinos on the LV Strip have them – and where the amount of money bet is beginning to rival that taken in at the tables.

If you could bet sports the way everyone wants to bet sports – one game at a time, rather than the silly three-team parlays required by Ontario, among other provinces – these joints would be jammed with people betting on hockey, baseball, basketball and football. Tourists would flock. You can't get a hotel room in Las Vegas on Super Bowl weekend or when NCAA March Madness is rolling. People love to bet and will travel to do it.

Set up gigantic sportsbooks. Put one at Woodbine, where they're still trying to get that $350 million fun-city project off the ground, and another at Exhibition Place. Put them in Windsor and Niagara Falls. On NFL weekends you wouldn't be able to move. While the bettors were here, they might like their hotel, or find a couple of good restaurants or a nice golf course.

This idea also would get sports gambling out of the corner stores, where it is being pitched to underage kids, and into a controlled environment. You don't see any kids in the sportsbooks in Vegas.

Legalizing this one more form of gambling also would provide the government with many billions in revenue, rather than let it all escape through the Internet to offshore joints in the Caribbean or, worse, to sites run out of that Mohawk reserve near Montreal. Already, billions of dollars in worldwide Internet gambling takes place there with zero return to our governments.

Meanwhile, stupid games like Ontario's Pro-Line, which pay out a tiny fraction of what they should, are fighting a losing battle to Internet sites. So are racetracks, which cannot compete with websites that have zero overhead.

Let the government legalize and regulate the gambling, as was done in the U.K. a few years ago, and watch the money roll in. Put that revenue into sports programs for amateurs and kids and put it into the professional events, the car races and such, if it's really necessary.

Gambling is both the largest industry in the world now and also the largest growth industry. It cannot be stopped, no matter what out-of-touch lawmakers think about banning Internet betting sites and credit card access and so on. Likewise, the moral horse long ago left the barn; our province shamelessly hucksters all forms of gambling as a source of revenue.

Absolutely, social costs are part of the cost of doing business, but here's news: Kids who get hooked on Internet poker and develop a problem (and plenty do) are going to be looking for treatment, some of them, and guess who's going to pay for that? The same province watching shrinking revenues from sports betting and racetracks because they don't have the smarts to compete on a world scale.

It's an easy call at this point. Open it up, run it correctly and take the percentage that now flies away on the Internet. You'll have tourists beating down the border trying to get in and play their favourite teams, too.
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Old 03-13-2008, 06:39 PM
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Didn't I write this exact same thing last year?
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Old 03-13-2008, 07:18 PM
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Booby Bob Rae brought in pro-line, sure seriously lacking but a first step that was needed in getting any sports gambling off the ground. This province was so broke anything nothing that would bring in revenue was overlooked.

It will arrive somewhere down the line but but will have to be spurred by outside factors ie if kahnawake for example were to allow walk-in sports betting.
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:07 PM
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Similar type article but a bit different I guess

http://www.majorwager.com/index.cfm?... OKEN=72107705
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:11 PM
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I would be pissed if they got rid of proline. You're right 98% of the lines are garbage. But those lines never move. And we all know the vegas lines move. Their is some serious money to be made playing proline in certain situations.
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:25 PM
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Biggest problem with proline is you have to choose 3 games and any game with value they close stating they've "exceeded the liability limit on that game." Forcing people to play 3 team parlays with a 60% plus hold they should be able to eat a few bad lines.
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:28 PM
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I would be pissed if they got rid of proline. You're right 98% of the lines are garbage. But those lines never move. And we all know the vegas lines move. Their is some serious money to be made playing proline in certain situations.
oh ya those 2 team parlays that pay +100 are just too good to pass up.
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:28 PM
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can you link me to the kahnawake artilcle you wrote recently
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:45 PM
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YZER

That was a pretty dumb comment. Did you miss the part where i said 98% of there lines are garbage? Obvioulsy you guys have just made up your mind and havent given it a second look? You're really missing out on some really good value.

Hartley.

Sure they do close lines every once and a while. But not very often, and if your on the ball you can still get the in before they take the line down.

sure you have to bet three games on a ticket. But if you can find 5 games say on Saturday with positve expectations you can rotate those five games and do a 3/5 Or key in the best game and do a 2/4 with the remaing 4 games.

Very easy to do i have made thousands over the last few years on Proline you just have to be smart about it and pick your spots.
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Old 03-14-2008, 04:24 PM
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Here you go SportSavant

http://www.majorwager.com/frontline-639.html
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:21 PM
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Last I played in BC it was -3 for both sides in foots and -5 in hoops. Could live with the former, but not the latter.
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