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Old 11-14-2007, 06:38 PM
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Default UFC 78 NOVEMBER 17: Michael Bisping vs. Rashad Evans thoughts on this fight and entire card...

Bisping is sitting at +235 at a few books right now and I think that is a good number to play. I believe he has a big advantage in submissions and also possesses the better striking. Some people point to the Hamill fight as reason to play against Bisping but Hamill is bigger than Evans who will look to use the same game plan but will not have the power he needs to hold down Bisping.

Could be a damn good Main Event but I am taking Bisping as I think he is the better all around fighter.

I think this fight will be close but I have Bisping penciled in at around +130/+140 so IMO +235 is a steal.
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:42 PM
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Also take a hard look at Karo Parisyan anything under -300...

I will get up my entire sheet when numbers are released all around..
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:52 PM
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Might be the worst card I have ever seen but considering they are shoveling at us 20 events per year now the lack of quality is not surprising
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:57 PM
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Might be the worst card I have ever seen but considering they are shoveling at us 20 events per year now the lack of quality is not surprising
You know the card is nothing but an Ultimate Fight Night but the Fisher/Edgar fight will be very good and Parisyan and Houston Alexander should provide some interesting finishes.
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Old 11-15-2007, 03:36 AM
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My Sheet looks like this:

UFC 78 Nov 17:

Michael Bisping +235 **
Joe Doerksen +125 *
Chris Lytle +150 *
Jason Reinhardt +450 *
Tamdan McCrory +205 **

MIXED MARTIAL ARTS - Nov 16 STRIKEFORCE MMA - SAN JOSE, CA
Dennis Hallman +115 *
Alistair Overeem +120 **
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:23 PM
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Venetian Openers...
UFC 78
Bisping +250
Evans -330

Alexander -165
Silva +135

Herman -270
Doerksen +210

Chonan +240
Parisyan -320

Edgar +130
Fisher -160

Lytle -115
Alves -115

Reinhardt +300
Lauzon -400

Caudillo +280
Aurellio -360

Gono -150
Mccrory +120

Others
Guida +180
Huerta -220

Serra +250
Hughes -330

Silva -115
Liddell -115

Stevenson +250
BJ Penn -330
Found these numbers on Oddessas web site...

Fuckin guy from the Venetian must be nuts...

Guida +180 lol....

Bisping +250....

Doerksen +210...



I wonder what type of limits he is opening with because these numbers are much different than what is currently available offshore...

Look for his numbers to move quite a bit.
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:09 PM
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Found these numbers on Oddessas web site...
Fuckin guy from the Venetian must be nuts...


lol, U made me spit out my soda ...... on an otherwise miserable day of moving into a new house....

Moving is almost as shitty a feeling as needing the last couple MNF underdogs to win...
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:11 PM
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Pretty sure Venetian takes 500 a fight.
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:08 PM
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Found these numbers on Oddessas web site...
Fuckin guy from the Venetian must be nuts...


lol, U made me spit out my soda ...... on an otherwise miserable day of moving into a new house....

Moving is almost as shitty a feeling as needing the last couple MNF underdogs to win...
Dude these numbers are horrible. It's irresponsible of him when numbers have been released other places that are just so much different..

Any good reads on the card so far? I am on quite a few dogs this weekend. Haven't been this dog heavy on a UFC show in quite a long time and we know how often dogs come in at a UFC..lol
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Venetian Openers...
UFC 78

Herman -270
Doerksen +210

Lytle -115
Alves -115

Others
Guida +180
Huerta -220
This guy must have been a huge fan of the TUF series and Dana White press releases because none of these numbers should look remotely close to this...

BTW good luck on the move Oddessa...
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:27 PM
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Agree. Shouldnt be too hard to get to the right numbers fast when u see the ppl at the counter firing into you though.Imagine they get some really big square biz on fight nights.

I been cleaning up with Alexander since his UFC debut, but my gut tells me this is where ppl are gonna get caught speeding. Silva is tough and maybe smart enough to get the fight to the ground. Hoping it goes much higher.

I think Lytle, Fisher and Deorkson matchup well with their opponents too at + money.
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:38 PM
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Agree. Shouldnt be too hard to get to the right numbers fast when u see the ppl at the counter firing into you though.Imagine they get some really big square biz on fight nights.

I been cleaning up with Alexander since his UFC debut, but my gut tells me this is where ppl are gonna get caught speeding. Silva is tough and maybe smart enough to get the fight to the ground. Hoping it goes much higher.

I think Lytle, Fisher and Deorkson matchup well with their opponents too at + money.
Alexander has been a good earn for the guys who have played him both his fights. I went small when he fought Jardine back in May but the payout bought a nice night at the bar so I wouldn't mind seeing him pull down another victory. Purely spectator though as I see this being a dead heat.

Fisher scares me a bit. I like the aggressiveness of this kid Edgar. Think he has the takedown skills to put Fisher on his back and keep him there. Another thing that scares me about Fisher is that he is coming off the Staph. It's been a couple of months but I just think this illness takes a lot out of these guys.

Some of these numbers I see being bet up at Cris just boggle my mind..

I can't understand how anyone could be feeling comfortable betting chalk on Buentello or Herman. Lots of dumb asses out their I guess. Just hope I am not one of them this weekend.
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Hey Joey.........Long time no see........whats the name of your MMA forum? Hope everything is going good with you in your neck of the woods!!!!
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:39 PM
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Overeem might be the bst 2 minute fighter in MMA, till he gasses. Seems to lack heart too. I think Alistars more gifted fighter than Paul, but doesnt have anywhere close to the heart Paul has. If Pauls not in shape, everything longer tahn 5 mins length will be gold to watch in this fight. I wouldnt bet Herman with freeplay moeny. Not a fan of Joe Dirt, but he can win here.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:41 PM
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BettorMMA ~ Index
^ thats the forum. stop by.

Hows things going Vig. Just talked to MB the other day and he told me u were up north again. I had no idea. Hope all is going well. Imagine it was a big change and took some getting used to.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:45 PM
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Overeem might be the bst 2 minute fighter in MMA, till he gasses. Seems to lack heart too. I think Alistars more gifted fighter than Paul, but doesnt have anywhere close to the heart Paul has. If Pauls not in shape, everything longer tahn 5 mins length will be gold to watch in this fight. I wouldnt bet Herman with freeplay moeny. Not a fan of Joe Dirt, but he can win here.
The fact that Buentello still has a job fighting HWY in MMA speaks volumes. He throws some decent combos but the guy obviously doesn't train for half his fights. Agree completely though that Overeem amazingly does have worse cardio than him...

How's action looked so far on the Main Event? You on either side?
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:08 PM
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Fri 11/16 Bobby Southworth vs Anthony Ruiz
06:00 PM 101 Bobby Southworth -322
102 Anthony Ruiz +292
Fri 11/16 Cung Le vs Sam Morgan
06:00 PM 103 Cung Le -458
104 Sam Morgan +418
Fri 11/16 Nam Phan vs Billy Evangelista
06:00 PM 105 Nam Phan -238
106 Billy Evangelista +218
Fri 11/16 Sean Salmon vs Dennis Hallman
06:00 PM 107 Sean Salmon -148
108 Dennis Hallman +138
UFC 78 -Prudential Center, NJ Michael: LightHeavyweights
Sat 11/17 Rashad Evans vs Michael Bisping

08:30 AM 201 Rashad Evans -257
202 Michael Bisping +227
Sat 11/17 Houston Alexander vs Thiago Silva
08:00 PM 203 Houston Alexander -145
204 Thiago Silva +135
UFC 78 -Prudential Center, NJ Michael: Lightweights
Sat 11/17 Frank Edgar vs Spencer Fisher

07:05 PM 209 Frank Edgar -128
210 Spencer Fisher +118
Sat 11/17 Joe Lauzon vs Jason Reinhardt
05:15 PM 213 Joe Lauzon -424
214 Jason Reinhardt +384
Sat 11/17 Marcus Aurelio vs Luke Caudillo
05:15 PM 215 Marcus Aurelio -408
216 Luke Caudillo +368
UFC 78 -Prudential Center, NJ Michael: Middleweights
Sat 11/17 Ed Herman vs Joe Doerksen

07:30 PM 205 Ed Herman -138
206 Joe Doerksen +128
UFC 78 -Prudential Center, NJ Michael: Welterweights
Sat 11/17 Karo Parisyan vs Ryo Chonan

07:30 PM 207 Karo Parisyan -339
208 Ryo Chonan +309
Sat 11/17 Thiago Alves vs Chris Lytle
05:15 PM 211 Thiago Alves -175
212 Chris Lytle +165
Sat 11/17 Akihiro Gono vs Tamdan McCrory
05:15 PM 217 Akihiro Gono -217
218 Tamdan McCrory +197
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Old 11-16-2007, 02:43 PM
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Venetian lines as of 9:14 34 seconds pst

UFC 78
bisping +250
Evans -330

Alexander -165
silva +135

herman -170
Doerksen +140

Chonan +240
Parisyan -320

Edgar -110
Fischer -120

Lytle +145
Alves -175

Reinhardt +350
Lauzon -500

Caudillo +280
Aurelio -360

Gono -220
Mccrory +180
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