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Old 08-08-2007, 02:40 PM
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Default Rolling the Dice with Online Lending at Prosper.com (Part I)...By Jay Graziani

The advent of "P2P" (peer-to-peer) internet applications has broadly changed the way we do business, from file sharing to internet auctions to online betting exchanges like BetFair and Matchbook. Now Chris Larsen, former CEO, chairman, and founder of E-LOAN, has brought P2P into the world of finance by creating Prosper, an online marketplace for those wishing to borrow or lend money outside of traditional banking channels.

For those who have experience dabbling in online markets, whether day-traders or sports handicappers, Prosper represents an interesting new income opportunity. The profit potential can be tempting. Three year CDs currently yield only about 5%, making a Prosper loan at 10%-plus seem extraordinarily attractive for mid-term investment.

Prosper launched in February of 2006, and has grown quickly since. It has garnered attention throughout the mainstream media, including The Wall Street Journal, USAToday, and Time. In June, Prosper announced that its membership had grown 50% in the prior 3 months (exceeding 300,000 members). Over $65 million in loans has been financed through Prosper since its inception.

Prosper describes itself as "America's first people-to-people lending marketplace". Its Ebay-esque interface makes listing and bidding on loans simple for even the least-savvy internet surfers. Loans can be requested for up to $25,000, and lenders can place a bid for as little as $50. Once enough lenders have bid to fill the loan amount, more bidders can come in and attempt to get a piece of the loan if they are willing to accept a lower rate. The rate can continue to drop until the listing closes, at which time Prosper processes the loan. Prosper facilitates the transfer of funds between the parties, taking their share of fees along the way.

Prosper is certainly targeting an attractive niche. With the advent of payday loans and high-APR credit cards (often due to penalties incurred when missing payments), many higher-risk borrowers are raked over the coals by their lenders. By eliminating the middlemen (bankers), lenders are able to get a better rate than they would get in traditional investments, and borrowers are able to get better rates than those available to them through existing channels.

The prosper marketplace is filled with a variety of borrowers trying to seduce you into funding their loan. Debt consolidators make up a large percentage of the listings. Entrepreneurs with new business ideas are another major demographic. And proving that opportunists infect every niche, A-grade borrowers will often create listings for loans to "reinvest in Prosper", a tactic a little too reminiscent of Charles Ponzi to get my vote of confidence.

Prosper provides data on loan performance for potential lenders (on their website, under Lend>Performance). Estimated ROIs average about 10% even after accounting for fees and defaults.

However, lending is not without risks. First, you have no real information on the potential borrowers other than their identity (verified by Prosper), and certain aspects of their Equifax credit report. Not a whole lot of detail for someone to whom you are about to lend your hard-earned money. Home ownership can sometimes be verified through Equifax if a mortgage is being reported. Otherwise, the rest of the information on the loan listing is self-reported, including employment, budgets, debt, and any stories as to what they are planning to do with the money. While Prosper does indeed offer a 100% identity theft guarantee, that's not much help if you are stuck with a deadbeat lender who has properly identified himself. Caveat emptor, indeed.

The online waters are always murky when it comes to financial transactions, and Prosper deserves a measure of caution. The loan listings can be dressed up a lot - tear jerking stories and pictures of children, or perhaps a 20-something coed looking for a "college loan" while dressed revealingly in her profile picture. Prosper provides areas for questions and answers, recommendations, comments from friends, and "group membership" for borrowers or lenders to band together. Since this information is not verified, it is mostly worthless, a smokescreen that distracts you from the real important stuff, the underlying fundamentals of the loan.

Keep in mind that those looking for loans on Prosper are likely not the most credit-worthy candidates. It seems that many listings are last-ditch efforts by consumers buried under mounting credit debt. Many businesses seem to turn to Prosper only when traditional lenders fall through.

Diversification is perhaps the most important aspect of lending - not just among different lenders but among different credit risks as well. A large institution can handle the risks of individual lenders by spreading that risk over the thousands of loans they provided. A small lender on Prosper doesn't have that same safety net, and a few bad selections can cause your ROI to end up in the red very quickly. Investing only in loans with 20% or greater rates exposes you to a lot of downside risk when your D-grade borrowers start defaulting. On the flip side, a vanilla portfolio of all A-grade lenders might protect you from defaulted loans, but it won't provide a return worth your while.

Back in June I funded Prosper with $500 to try the interface and get a feel for lending. In part 2 of this article, I'll give some tips for navigating the murky waters of online P2P lending and report on my first two months of grinding out a profit as a modern-day loan shark.

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Old 08-08-2007, 02:59 PM
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LOOKS INTERESTING --- I COULD USE 250 USD --- BUT IT SEEMS ALL THE LOANS ARE BIGGER ! LOL GUYS
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Old 08-08-2007, 03:12 PM
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Three year CDs currently yield only about 5%, making a Prosper loan at 10%-plus seem extraordinarily attractive for mid-term investment.
yep, sure looks attractive... but also consider

BAC it's under $50 a share right now.

Pays a $2.24 dividend which is about a 4.6% yield

and should be selling for around $60 per share 3 years from now.

BP it's sitting at $68 a share, yields 3.82% and should easily hit $75 a share before end of this year.

I looked at prosper as well.

just was not liquid enough for me... but for fooling around might be fun.
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Old 08-08-2007, 03:17 PM
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Wait until the dell dude's and sicky g's of the world catch on to this site.
No ty.
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Old 08-08-2007, 03:25 PM
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I'd be interested to see what would happen if a sportsbetting bonus junkie laid out his mo and asked for $25,000 @22%.

Say he says I'm going to deposit 5k at 5 different sportsbooks, each offering 20-25% cash bonuses. Then I'm going to play both sides of games at 1-3 cent scalps until I've completed my rollover. I'll repeat the process at the books I lose with re-up bonuses, and I'll start the process over at other books.
I'll be able to double my $ in 12 months so I'll easily be able to pay the 22% interest rate, even though I have no credit.
Heck you don't even have to use your real name.
Sign me up. LOL.
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:55 PM
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I actually started lending on that site back in February. Just going lite...I have made $4k in loans with a yield of just over 13%. All loans are current at this time.

You definitely have to sift through the bullshit and ask good questions. Some of the listings are so stupid it is not even funny. However, there are some sheep there that just go ahead and fire a bid at it anyway. If you are careful, and pay attention to what you are doing, I think this is a decent way to make a pretty good return on a small part of your portfolio.
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I actually started lending on that site back in February. Just going lite...I have made $4k in loans with a yield of just over 13%. All loans are current at this time.

You definitely have to sift through the bullshit and ask good questions. Some of the listings are so stupid it is not even funny. However, there are some sheep there that just go ahead and fire a bid at it anyway. If you are careful, and pay attention to what you are doing, I think this is a decent way to make a pretty good return on a small part of your portfolio.

The best one I have read so far was a guy with D credit wanting to borrow around 8k so he could travel to some place in Asia to meet his mail-order bride.
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:19 PM
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Wait until the dell dude's and sicky g's of the world catch on to this site.
No ty.
Already have my HG friend. Already have.

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I am siriusly considering taking out a Live Long and Prosper.com loan for two dimes so I can enter the Hilton NFL Contest via proxy. Unbelievably my credit rating is high enough (has to be 520+ and mine is 600+) and I would just have to open a new checking account. What is the downside, other than going 37-48 again?
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:30 PM
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Well done Dell Dude.
Remember when you lose the 1st 25k you can always submit for another 25k using the martingale as your gameplan. Say that you're going to start at 1k and keep betting until you win and show them the math.
Of course you probably shouldn't tell them that the 1k bet is a 6 teamer.
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