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Old 07-25-2007, 01:44 PM
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Default Ron Mexico, Why Have You Forsaken Us?...By Jay Graziani

As they say, "You can take the Vick out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the Vick". At least that's what Marcus tells me.

Mike Vick might have pushed his luck one too many times, with a federal indictment in his lap and the Falcons looking to suspend him the maximum allowed four games. The repercussions from the NFL and, more importantly, law enforcement, have yet to be felt.

Of course, this isn't his first brush with the law. Mike had a lawsuit against him, back in 2005, claiming he gave a woman genital herpes under the clever alias "Ron Mexico". A minor brush with the law, and not taken seriously by most. After all, when you're a groupie for NFL players, sexually transmitted diseases are just part of the territory.

Not content to let that rest, Mike flipped off his own fans in November after a loss in the Georgia Dome. With both hands. Not a great idea from someone making $7 million in endorsements a year.

But good ole' Mike didn't stop there. He was caught trying to smuggle a water bottle with a hidden compartment through Miami International Airport security in January. The compartment contained a "small amount of dark particulate and a pungent aroma closely associated with marijuana" that Vick later identified as jewelry. You would think that a superstar like Mike would have some better "bling-bling" than a couple of old roaches.

After being under the media microscope, an intelligent player would lay low, not start up a pit bull fighting operation in rural Virginia. But intelligence evidently doesn't run in the Vick family.

This latest transgression will be a lot harder to overcome than the "Ron Mexico" incident. Right now I can imagine Roger Goodell, doing his best Simon and Garfunkle imitation, singing, "Where have you gone, Ron Mexico?" Spinning PR on a herpes outbreak is worlds easier than dealing with dozens of dog carcasses in a pit down in Virginia. I wonder if Mr. Goodell will ban sales of #7 jerseys saying "Okie"?

What a summer of sports integrity going down the drain. First we have steroid-laden MLB, who can't muster water-cooler talk even though its most sacred record is about to be broken. Of course, the NFL had its own motley crew of felons even before the Vick incident. There have been over 300 arrests and citations of NFL players since 2000, an image problem to say the least. While "The Linc" in Philly has a jail to house unruly fans, Cincinnati should start thinking about investing in a jail to hold their scrimmages. With 10 players arrested in the last 14 months, the Bengals just have to hope enough players get paroled to keep their roster full all season.

For once, the NBA started to look like the good guys (huh?). But, almost on cue, the NBA came back with what might be the biggest sports integrity scandal since the Black Sox, with allegations of referees fixing games. Surprisingly, the NHL is looking like the model of good public image in the sports world nowadays. They could easily spin this to their advantage -- that is, if anyone were watching.

According to Sports Illustrated, Mike Vick is the 24th highest paid American athlete, making a cool $20 million this year. For someone whose livelihood depends on his public image, you would think one close call would be enough. But, no; "The Ron Mexico Files" weren't enough; the marijuana-smelling water-bottle-slash-secret-contraband-smuggling-device wasn't enough. In a time of 24/7 media coverage and YouTube, any one of those incidents alone is enough to kill a public image. Hell, Mike has already crossed the line so many times, he may as well just break out "The Whizzinator" for his next urine test.

For someone who was, at best, a mid-grade NFL quarterback, pushing the limits seems a bit arrogant. He is often named among the most overrated players in the league, and hasn't even broken an 80 quarterback rating for the season since his sophomore year. Last season, he ranked below both Cleo Lemon and Jason Campbell in QB rating. His only redeeming quality is charisma, flashiness, image. And for some reason he is determined to kill that.

More disappointing to me is how the whole sports industry has seemed to just hit rock bottom. Integrity is absent in the new era. Commissioners are going to need to take a stand and, if Mike Vick is proven guilty, I hope it begins with him. A lifetime ban from the NFL would be a good starting point. Someone needs to be made an example of if our sports leagues want to dig themselves out of the gutter.

What happened to the days when top athletes were heroes, someone the kids could look up to? Too often we forget the Tom Bradys and Peyton Mannings, guys who quietly do their jobs (and do them well), maybe do a few hokey commercials, but generally don't rock the boat. They realize that image is everything in professional sports. It's a shame that the sports commissioners don't realize the same.

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Old 07-25-2007, 02:15 PM
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More disappointing to me is how the whole sports industry has seemed to just hit rock bottom. Integrity is absent in the new era. Commissioners are going to need to take a stand and, if Mike Vick is proven guilty, I hope it begins with him. A lifetime ban from the NFL would be a good starting point. Someone needs to be made an example of if our sports leagues want to dig themselves out of the gutter.

I know its selfish. I actually wanted him to have to go thru the protests from Peta and everyone else.

Would of loved to see all his road games turn out with people with dead looking dogs hanging from a rod.

Turns out they are going to spare him of that. His family that was involved and he himself are reprehensable.

I wanted to see him taunted like they taunted those dogs.
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Old 07-25-2007, 02:53 PM
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As despicable as this incident is believed to be, at most one year, the man has rights. In the orient torture of dogs is widespread; strays are clubbed to death on the spot... others skinned and eaten. It's unlikely Vick would get even a wrist slap there, just to put it in context.

That's legally speaking, if it was to be no NFL owner would want a character such as this on his team representing his city and Vick is effectively blackballed well that's another story. Team owners also have rights.
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Old 07-25-2007, 06:18 PM
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Marcus has to be a happy camper....For once, at least temporarily, he actually seems to be the lesser of two evils...
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:00 PM
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First we have steroid-laden MLB
What I don't understand is how the majority of people don't understand the "steroid" issue. I can understand it in a way because most people have not been in a situation that would allow them to understand it, but to me, it is almost obvious. All sports (this is a broad statement but you can say mostly all if you like) lend themselves to steroid, HGH, or other performance ehnancers use.

Most people (posters on the forums and those who have not played sports at a major college or above level) seem to think that it is isolated to a sport or person. I can say from personal experience that it is rampant in most if not all sports at the higher levels. I still believe this is true today even after the raised awareness and testing.
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:02 PM
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One more thougt:

It is quite comical to me that the "fan" didn't mind all of the record-setting or improved performance until this became a front-page issue.

Also, the commissioners of the leagues didn't mind either.

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Old 07-25-2007, 09:03 PM
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The general public are sheep!
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:08 PM
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The general public are sheep!
You don't say..........
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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Is that what makes him 'special'? his unique ability to type just about any stupid ass thing that pops into his head?
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:03 PM
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Not a big fan of dogs. I say what's the big deal. Dogs shit and piss in my yard. Very unclean animals. Of course, might feel differently if I have seen one of these fights.
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:13 PM
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I don't like something so its O.K. to electrocute and drown the unfit to fight and losers?

Cool.
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:24 PM
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Stevo, agree they deserve a better fate and so do aging greyhounds.
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:33 PM
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You dont seem like that type of guy Donny. I didnt take what you said to mean you wanted to see any of that happen to a dog.

I just hate this guy now.

I live in a state with Greyhound racing. Its prob where our next larger dog comes from when the large one we have passes.

I hear its easy to adopt them.
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:46 PM
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Stevo, I know you live in Az. Love to bet the dogs, but hard to win. In Rehoboth Beach, Delaware they have an annual greyhound adoption weekend. I always tell the owners I bet on their dog and lost. They are not pleased. Supposedly, greyhounds make good pets but may need to go in pairs for companionship. They sure could get the paper in a hurry.
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Old 07-26-2007, 04:37 PM
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I live in a state with Greyhound racing. Its prob where our next larger dog comes from when the large one we have passes.

I hear its easy to adopt them.


Greyhound racing is big here too, and they have an aganecy set-up to make adotping the retired dogs pretty quick and simple.

A few of my neighbors have Greyhounds, and they seem like really sweet, gentle dogs.. always see them in the yard with the kids, and they always look happy and playful.

Actually, i wanted a damn Greyhound to replace our last dog, but, the wifey wanted a little dog this time, so, now i am stuck with a yappy little Yorkie who drives me friggin insane..
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:15 PM
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As despicable as this incident is believed to be, at most one year, the man has rights.
the biggest misconception out there is that an NFL player has "rights"

No, he doesn't. It is a privilege to play in the NFL. I can't go into work in a robe and bathslippers and with a 3-day beard and a cigarette dangling out of my mouth. I have a right to do that on my own time, but my employer also has the right to expect certain appropriate behavior from me. If I am arrested, I can be terminated. There are a number of situation outside the work environment which can adversely effect my ability to keep my job. Employers can and must set standards that employees must abide by.

For a "celebrity/athlete", staying within the bounds of the law, projecting a good public image, and operating within the standards of the league are MANDATORY parts of the job description.

If the NFL is smart, they will realize that they may need to take extreme action to protect their product.
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:27 PM
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For sure vick can do little if any complaining at the present as he is collecting his full salary while all this is going on.

If this had happened to me i would be making a statement announcing the closing of my 'kennelz' and for sure i would see the light and the error of my ways, maybe toss a contribution to the aspca or any other responsible animal organization.

This can all be overcome.
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