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Old 07-18-2007, 01:48 PM
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Default Give Poor Calvin Ayre a Break Already...By Jay Graziani

Bodog's quest to be media darling has often brought to question the ethics of their head, Calvin Ayre. Internet gambling forums have provided chatter about Bodog's ownership ad nauseum. And a couple of mildly-psychotic internet stalkers seem to jump from forum to forum with the sole intention of blathering about Calvin Ayre's prior misdoings.

It is no secret Mr. Ayre has a rap sheet. In 1996, he settled an insider trading accusation with a $10,000 fine and 20-year banishment from running any company listed on the Vancouver exchange.

Certainly not a pristine track record for someone running a semi-legal internet gambling enterprise. But let's call a spade a spade. Mr. Ayre is an illegal bookie, intentionally and maliciously skirting the law by operating out of a more crime-friendly jurisdiction - at least in the eyes of U.S. prosecutors. If he stepped into the United States today there is little doubt that he would be arrested on the spot. There is a reason Mr. Ayre has no assets located in the U.S., and it's not because he's broke.

Let's be realistic -- the average internet gambler has almost zero information about the ownership of any sportsbook they patronize. Most people connected to sportsbooks use aliases for their public face, and many have charges already awaiting them if they ever return to the U.S. Few, if any, have spotless records, but as long as they stay behind the scenes, no one notices. Mr. Ayre's highly-public persona only puts him through a finer comb.

Many sportsbooks grew out of illegal stateside operations, so ownership almost always has had prior brushes with the law. A lot of sportsbooks have stateside agents. I doubt any sportsbook has a completely clean rap sheet, just by the nature of their business. They (and I guess we) are all criminals in some regard just for doing what it is we're doing. And although all gamblers are good citizens and report their offshore accounts for tax purposes, I am sure we could turn up some less-than-ethical behavior on our side of the counter as well.

The simple rule of thumb is this: when you operate in a criminal element, you are going to be dealing with criminals. Deal with it or stick to bingo halls. And until the muddy legal waters are cleared, taking bets over the internet is certainly a criminal enterprise in the eyes of federal and even state prosecutors.

Are prior offenses of owners something to consider? Sure, when you are trying to figure out how likely it is that you get paid. But there are a lot of factors that figure into that equation - financials, business model, clientele, and track record among them. Mr. Ayre's status as a low-level pseudo-celebrity has given us vastly more information about Bodog's ownership and business doings than nearly any of its competitors.

When did everyone suddenly start expecting bookies to be saints? My top priority when choosing someone to take my bets has never been "meticulously stays within the bounds of the law", whether it was a parlay card in the back in the corner bar or electronic transmissions across the internet. If you are going to crucify Bodog, do it for the low limits or 40-cent lines. Not for the personal dirty laundry of the owner.

Let me say I am not a fan of Mr. Ayre, and I am not a tremendous fan of his sportsbook. I am especially not a fan of his stupid fantasy jungle romps and other shenanigans. His antics likely do much more to harm this industry than better it. But he settled his prior charges, and paid his debt to society with a fine and restrictions. And his sportsbook is not exactly the worst choice for a recreational player in the current environment.

I guess the bottom line is, let he without sin cast the first stone. Or at least let him hit the first soft $500 limit overnight opener at Bodog.

07-18-07
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Old 07-18-2007, 03:49 PM
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A writer that could finally not fit "pig farmer" in the article somehow

I never had any problems with him or his book. Don't know if the high profile helped or hurt.

I'll leave it up to others.

Nice write up Jay.
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Old 07-18-2007, 03:55 PM
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I always thought his quest for attention just made the DOJ bullseye much bigger. At this point, his ability to generate media attention looks like a stroke of brilliance for Bodog but it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out in the long run.
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Old 07-18-2007, 04:03 PM
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I always though he was a blowhard attention-whore Hef wannabe, and that has never been my favorite type of business/man. I was ambivalent about the Forbes thing, until the UIGEA kicked in, and now I am on the side of "thanks for all the unwanted attention, cooljerk".

However, those stalkers are starting to sway me. It's as if they would like nothing more to bring an already crippled industry to it's knees by orchestrating the total downfall of Bodog because of a ages-old personal vendetta, not caring how many would be hurt by the fall-out.
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:19 AM
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Some of his antics were on the absurd side, but, it served it's purpose back then really..Dude got tons of publicity for himself and Bodog..

At the time, it was nearly impossible for newbies to internet gambling to distinguish one place from another, so, having the brand name in the press all the time, definitely served it's purpose.

Besides, it could have been worse...At least they didn't pay people to streak at sporting events and shit , like the assclowns at GoldenPalace..
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:30 AM
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There is no way I would ever play at his place again. Cause if he would every get pinched by the feds, there is no doubt in my mind, not only would he comply fully, he would even volunteer info the feds didnt even request just to keep his scrawny ass out of jail
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Old 07-19-2007, 07:35 PM
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sorta like Neteller did SP?
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:34 PM
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Just as bad or worse.

Dont trust that mofo one bit
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:37 PM
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The man isnt going to the US. So your prediction is highly unlikely IMO. It is not a public company so that makes it even more less likely.
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Old 07-20-2007, 08:48 PM
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The man isnt going to the US. So your prediction is highly unlikely IMO. It is not a public company so that makes it even more less likely.
exactly.

i'm sure the DoJ would like to get ahold of him, just to use as their poster boy, but, no way in Hell he's gonna put himself in the position to get picked up.


i wouldn't have any concerns about using Bodog.. no more than WSEX or 5Dimes, etc.
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Old 07-20-2007, 09:26 PM
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UK REGISTER: Playboy gambler (Calvin Ayre) says Feds can't stop his online empire
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Old 07-20-2007, 09:33 PM
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exactly.

i'm sure the DoJ would like to get ahold of him, just to use as their poster boy, but, no way in Hell he's gonna put himself in the position to get picked up.


i wouldn't have any concerns about using Bodog.. no more than WSEX or 5Dimes, etc.
You know, Unc, common sense says you are correct and Calvin Ayre's ego says you are wrong.

It will be interesting how this plays out.
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Old 07-20-2007, 09:44 PM
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You know, Unc, common sense says you are correct and Calvin Ayre's ego says you are wrong.

It will be interesting how this plays out.


ego is one thing, but, ego would also play a role in his wanting to remain free.


nothing damages an ego more than being told when to eat, sleep and shower...and having to shit on a steel toilet in the middle of a glass room.
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:07 PM
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ego is one thing, but, ego would also play a role in his wanting to remain free.


nothing damages an ego more than being told when to eat, sleep and shower...and having to shit on a steel toilet in the middle of a glass room.
That's one way to look at it.

The other way is that the ego doesn't think it can be caught or submitted to the situations you list above. Based on what I have read, this is the case with Calvin.

Time will tell.
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:10 PM
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The man is a target. He is sponsoring fights, this and that. He is in the spotlight all the time. He is rubbing the feds nose in it.
All it takes is one is flight on his way CR or wherever to do an emergency landing into US territory and voila his ass is grass
Couple with that his book is a shit operation -- they only want losers.

So thanks but no thanks
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:43 PM
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I like the guy. He flips the bird to the US govt.
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:46 PM
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I like the guy. He flips the bird to the US govt.


i can see why some people get aggravated by some of his antics, and maybe get annoyed by the attention he draws to internet gambling, but, i really don't blame him for the dumb shit... dude was just trying to make a name for himself, get his brand out there.


I do get a kick out of his obsessive stalkers... some of them really are pretty entertaining..
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:23 PM
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i can see why some people get aggravated by some of his antics, and maybe get annoyed by the attention he draws to internet gambling, but, i really don't blame him for the dumb shit... dude was just trying to make a name for himself, get his brand out there.


I do get a kick out of his obsessive stalkers... some of them really are pretty entertaining..
About the stalkers, same here

On the other hand they do have a point with his attitude. It's really not good for any of us to have a book owner who is so "visible".
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:46 AM
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I do get a kick out of his obsessive stalkers... some of them really are pretty entertaining..
Oh, thanks very much. We realized most of the cold hard facts were already out there after a year and that people needed a good laugh now and then. It's really the start of our own digital entertainment empire, I suppose. Stay tuned for the All Ireland Transvestite Nude Step Dancing and Bodhran Championships direct from Balyconeely, County Galway, coming this fall. I won't be entering myself. Hurt me leg in that friggin plane crash.

That, and I'm not a transvestite, and I don't look all that good in me pelt.

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