Michelle Wie Needs To Go Away

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

Change subjects? Not manipulating? I asked how she's been doing, and you chirped happily about her record in 2004 and 2005, mentioning how many top 10 AND how many top 5 finishes she had, and her high ranking, not to mention how she did for appx. the first half of 2006. Then, suddenly, "I know she tailed off at the end of the year." That's IT???? No mention of how many times she finished towards the bottom of the fields in the 2nd half of 2006 and thus far THIS year, no mention whatsoever of how many cuts she missed in that period, NOTHING?!?! I think that any reasonable person who came in and saw the way you presented those two time periods could see from a mile away that you ARE manipulating the stats. And you've got the balls to talk about changing the subject when I've asked you 4 or 5 times what you have to say about Annika's blasting Wie, and you've yet to respond?? Where did I mention David Duvall at any time, can't you read??? You can say how injured she was till you turn blue in the face, I DON'T BELIEVE IT, at least as far as the the last couple of tournaments is concerned.

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The biggest choke in the history of sports, your 2004…NEW...YORK...YANKEES!!!

You really are a jerk arent you? I mean seriously.

I gave you specific stats from 2004-2005 because I had specific stats. I didnt have completely specific stats for 2006. This is what I came up with. I purposely said July because thats the information I had. Yet you say I am manipulating. The below links is what I have. If you want to argue this until the ends of the earth I am sure we can come across some things showing her stats in August and September. I know she didnt play as well, didnt have the specifics, but said she dropped off because thats what I remembered.

You have gone from she has missed several cuts to looking for a cut she misses last year. I know deep down you are shocked by how good her record is, but you will never admit it. But we both know you are surprised.

For the last time she has been HURT IN 2007. Do you know how many events she has entered in 2007? Are you saying she should have won events she wasnt healthy enough to enter. You still dont seem to understand she has barely played this year

First link details 2004-2005, second details what I said for 2006. Have quoted from the 2006

Michelle Wie

Michelle Wie Bio

In 2006, she continued her pro career, and unlike her problems at the Samsung, she could seemingly do no wrong. She finished third at the Fields Open, then contended in the first three Majors on tour. She finished in the top ten in every LPGA event she played through July in 2006. She also managed to finally make a cut on a men's tour: she finished tied for 35th at the SK Telecom event on the Asian tour. Thus, the only living women to make the cut at a men's tour event are she and Se Ri Pak, who finished tied for 10th at a KPGA event in 2003.

[alysheba88]

As far as Dual you are the one who needs to learn how to read. Hartley brought up Duval. I said to you that asking for her 2007 stats is like asking for Duvals 2007 stats. Duval has barely played and she has barely played. You want to base everything on two-three events when she was hurt while I am looking at her career

You are beyond obsessive about Annika. Who cares? Saying a 17 year old needs to grow up is a shocker. I can come up with several quotes from male PGA touring pros praising her. If you doubt me how about we bet on it?

All you have is quoting things others have said and you still dont seem to understand she has barely played this year

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

I came up with this, which I only learned about a few months ago but happened awhile ago. How many "innocent mistakes" are too many?

Writer defends reporting Wie
By Tom Spousta, USA TODAY
PALM DESERT, Calif. — Michael Bamberger, a senior writer with Sports Illustrated, watched intently as Michelle Wie took a penalty drop from an unplayable lie during the third round of the Samsung World Championship.
Shortly afterward, he paced off the distance and determined Wie had dropped her ball closer to the hole, a two-stroke penalty. Bamberger's decision to report the incident to a rules official led to Wie's disqualification and put him under scrutiny as to whether he should have acted as an arbiter of that situation.

"To me, cheating implies intent. I think she was just careless," Bamberger said Monday. "I feel strongly I did the right thing."

Bamberger's actions took him beyond a journalist's role of observing and reporting, according to Bob Steele, senior ethics faculty member at the Poynter Institute in St. Petersburg, Fla.

"If lives are at risk, and the journalist is the only one who can intervene, that's different from citing a rules violation by an athlete," Steele said. "We should report that as part of our journalism. We should not be the whistle-blower who is going to the authorities."

Bamberger waited until late in Sunday's weather-delayed round to approach rules officials, a fact Wie caddie Greg Johnston pointed out to him in a heated exchange outside the media tent. Wie's infraction occurred at the par-5 seventh Saturday, so Bamberger still had 11 holes to report it.

Had he done that, officials would have had an opportunity to confront Wie and assess a two-stroke penalty before she signed her third-round scorecard.

"I can totally understand why people who aren't reporters would make that point. It didn't work for me," Bamberger said. "I could never, as a reporter, see going to the police first rather than asking the subject about it."

Bamberger did ask Wie about the drop after Saturday's round. "It was not on the borderline," she had said.

He was not convinced, and after discussing the matter with SI golf editor Jim Heree, spoke with LPGA rules official Robert O. Smith.

Bamberger's background suggests he understood the particulars of Wie's improper drop, including that her infraction was a correctable mistake. He was a caddie on the PGA Tour for a few seasons in the mid-1980s and briefly on the European Tour in the early '90s. This year he caddied for British Amateur champion Stuart Wilson in The Masters and wrote about the experience.

"The decision was difficult," he said. "You don't want to be part of the story. The goal is not to be, yet sometimes it happens."

Jane Singer, associate professor at the University of Iowa School of Journalism and Mass Communication, said Bamberger saw something ethically wrong and put his role as a person above his job as a reporter.

"He can't help that he saw it. If he doesn't take action, he's kind of complicit in her action," Singer said.

Instead of cashing her first paycheck, Wie forfeited $53,126 and her pro debut will be remembered for a rules dispute rather than a fourth-place finish. She said recreating the drop was guesswork.

"If I did it again, I would still do that because it looked right to me," she said. "But I learned my lesson. I'm going to call a rule official every single time."
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The biggest choke in the history of sports, your 2004…NEW...YORK...YANKEES!!!

Are you aware of the controversy VJ went thru in his early days? Are you? Dou you think he should be booted from the Hall of Fame?

[alysheba88]

You say she hasnt been hurt. What was she doing from January thru June? Explain

[Hartley]

Are you aware why Duval is not playing now? Has nothing to do with performance- wife going thru a real tough time.

I never stated he gave up the game. I said his game went south after the vertigo and he should work at getting his A game back before playing in more tournaments - i.e. spend time practicing, working with a coach etc. and then when he is in top form again get back into it.

His game, left for dead, came back some last year. Did you not notice? Did you not see the attention at last year' US Open? Did you miss the good finish?

Yes, if you review you'll see I mentioned that Duval was finally looking back in form during that tournament but then he did nothing afterwards in lesser tournaments. I guess I was wrong. One decent round doesn't mean that everything is fixed. I still contend that when his personal issues are resolved he should spend time working on his game rather than rushing back to play. The guy has immense talent as does Michelle Wie but at this point they need to work out their problems on the practice range not playing in tournaments.

You are comparing a grown man, who was number one in the world with a 17 year old girl.

Do you understand that she has rarely played this year and do you understand why?

I keep repeating this, but only because people seem oblivious to it. She has barely played this year due to INJURY.

I stick by what I said. She is only 17 and should take the time now to work on her game and her schooling. Playing in tournaments at this point is counterproductive for her.

I don't want to put words in people's mouths but I believe what I hear most posters trying to say is that she made a huge mistake by rushing to prove herself at a young age. Too many people try to rush into something, make an early splash and then crash before they are even at the point they were ready. Tiger Woods is an exception rather than the rule.

[Hartley]

BTW, just out of curiosity Alysheba why are you so defensive when people say Wie needs to take a break for a while? It almost sounds like you're taking the comments personally.

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by Hartley

BTW, just out of curiosity Alysheba why are you so defensive when people say Wie needs to take a break for a while? It almost sounds like you're taking the comments personally.

Hartley, you must have me confused with someone else.

Did you see my response to Chris's comments.

Have you actually read any of my comments here?

Shoddy journalism Hartley. Expect that out of others not you. Where did you say in your last post that all she needs is a break for a while? Where have I argued anywhere that she doesnt need a break?

[alysheba88]

nostaw, I will save you time and read your next move. You will finally concede she was hurt earlier in the year. You will finally research it and find out she was hurt. However you will not admit you didnt know. Instead you will argue that while she may have been hurt she is 100% now. How Dr. Nostaw comes to this conclusion will never be explained. Comments from her playing partners that say she looked hurt will be ignored. Dr. Nostaw will proclaim her 100% fit and thats that

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by Hartley

Are you aware why Duval is not playing now? Has nothing to do with performance- wife going thru a real tough time.

I never stated he gave up the game. I said his game went south after the vertigo and he should work at getting his A game back before playing in more tournaments - i.e. spend time practicing, working with a coach etc. and then when he is in top form again get back into it.

His game, left for dead, came back some last year. Did you not notice? Did you not see the attention at last year' US Open? Did you miss the good finish?

Yes, if you review you'll see I mentioned that Duval was finally looking back in form during that tournament but then he did nothing afterwards in lesser tournaments. I guess I was wrong. One decent round doesn't mean that everything is fixed. I still contend that when his personal issues are resolved he should spend time working on his game rather than rushing back to play. The guy has immense talent as does Michelle Wie but at this point they need to work out their problems on the practice range not playing in tournaments.

You are comparing a grown man, who was number one in the world with a 17 year old girl.

Do you understand that she has rarely played this year and do you understand why?

I keep repeating this, but only because people seem oblivious to it. She has barely played this year due to INJURY.

I stick by what I said. She is only 17 and should take the time now to work on her game and her schooling. Playing in tournaments at this point is counterproductive for her.

I don't want to put words in people's mouths but I believe what I hear most posters trying to say is that she made a huge mistake by rushing to prove herself at a young age. Too many people try to rush into something, make an early splash and then crash before they are even at the point they were ready. Tiger Woods is an exception rather than the rule.

Hartley, I refuse to believe you are serious. She has been HURT. How can she practice when she has been hurt!

In hindsight she came back early, for the majors. I have my theories why, and should be pretty obvious to anyone. She has been hurt most of the year

Or are you saying she has not been hurt this year?

By the way not sure I even understand your Tiger comments. He is not the exception if that is your point. Do you not know when he turned pro (his age) or when he contended in majors? He was in his 20's. She was 15-16 contending in majors

As far as Duval, please explain to me how you know what he has and has not been praticising in the past. Are you privy to his schedule

[BuzzRavanaugh]

Nostaw--my best wished to you-- but it was Uncle B who posted about his family---best wishes to Uncle B.

Wierd thread---Michelle Wie gets crucified and Phil Mickelson gets a pass for the same thing.

[Uncle B]

Thanks Buzz, things will come together eventually..


Aly, it's all good, shit happens, people lose their cool...My apologies as well.

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

You really are a jerk arent you? I mean seriously.

I gave you specific stats from 2004-2005 because I had specific stats. I didnt have completely specific stats for 2006. This is what I came up with. I purposely said July because thats the information I had. Yet you say I am manipulating. The below links is what I have. If you want to argue this until the ends of the earth I am sure we can come across some things showing her stats in August and September. I know she didnt play as well, didnt have the specifics, but said she dropped off because thats what I remembered.

You have gone from she has missed several cuts to looking for a cut she misses last year. I know deep down you are shocked by how good her record is, but you will never admit it. But we both know you are surprised.

For the last time she has been HURT IN 2007. Do you know how many events she has entered in 2007? Are you saying she should have won events she wasnt healthy enough to enter. You still dont seem to understand she has barely played this year

First link details 2004-2005, second details what I said for 2006. Have quoted from the 2006

Michelle Wie

Michelle Wie Bio

In 2006, she continued her pro career, and unlike her problems at the Samsung, she could seemingly do no wrong. She finished third at the Fields Open, then contended in the first three Majors on tour. She finished in the top ten in every LPGA event she played through July in 2006. She also managed to finally make a cut on a men's tour: she finished tied for 35th at the SK Telecom event on the Asian tour. Thus, the only living women to make the cut at a men's tour event are she and Se Ri Pak, who finished tied for 10th at a KPGA event in 2003.

Aly, I've enjoyed your posts more than virtually any other poster in this forum, but, for whatever reason, you have a bug up your ass the size of Rhode Island with Wie. Sorry, I simply don't believe you "...didnt have completely specific stats for 2006...", it's too much of a coincidence that the period you DO have such stats available from a time period that she played pretty well-no WINS, of course, but pretty good results-and the ones that DON'T show that you couldn't be bothered to provide. Such self service is as transparent as it is laughable. Furthermore, you've already lied twice in this thread about minor shit, why stop at something major? Plus, you're completely irrational in trying to claim that I wanted stats from 2004 to 2005-I think it would be hard to find anybody who spoke negatively about her results from that time period, but the thread suggesting that she was getting worse started in September of last year. Everybody in the thread, myself included, agreed that she WAS getting worse-or at least needed a break from playing-but YOU were the only person who firmly denied that she had NOT gotten worse. Of course, it's just a coincidence that you don't have access to that EXACT time period, amazing! What the fuck do I care about her results from 2 to 3 years ago? Combined with her bad play are a number of incidents calling into question her character. You can keep your head imbedded firmly up your ass, but others of us are not inclined to do so. The same extraction is needed on the matter of her injuries: for the umpteenth time, I DO NOT BELIEVE HER INJURES ARE AS SEVERE AS SHE HAS LED PEOPLE TO BELIEVE FOR THE LAST TWO TOURNAMENTS IN WHICH SHE WITHDREW, WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL????????

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The biggest choke in the history of sports, your 2004…NEW...YORK...YANKEES!!!

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

nostaw, I will save you time and read your next move. You will finally concede she was hurt earlier in the year. You will finally research it and find out she was hurt. However you will not admit you didnt know. Instead you will argue that while she may have been hurt she is 100% now. How Dr. Nostaw comes to this conclusion will never be explained. Comments from her playing partners that say she looked hurt will be ignored. Dr. Nostaw will proclaim her 100% fit and thats that

Dead wrong, as you've been throughout this thread. I stated my views on her injury in the post that preceded this one-and, btw, more than a few players have stated that she didn't seem to be favoring her wrist until the last second-but, of course, THEY were all wrong, as are several other posters in this thread, and YOU are right-plus we're all pathetic. Right sentiment, wrong target...

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The biggest choke in the history of sports, your 2004…NEW...YORK...YANKEES!!!

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

As far as Dual you are the one who needs to learn how to read. Hartley brought up Duval. I said to you that asking for her 2007 stats is like asking for Duvals 2007 stats. Duval has barely played and she has barely played. You want to base everything on two-three events when she was hurt while I am looking at her career

You are beyond obsessive about Annika. Who cares? Saying a 17 year old needs to grow up is a shocker. I can come up with several quotes from male PGA touring pros praising her. If you doubt me how about we bet on it?

All you have is quoting things others have said and you still dont seem to understand she has barely played this year

Who CARES? Now THAT is pathetic! You made a complete fool of yourself by inferring that anybody who didn't have Wie's "accomplishments" shouldn't rip her-made even dumber by the fact you don't know what the accomplishments are of the people you ripped, and even YOU seem to realize how stupid that statement because you haven't addressed it since. But, it gets worse: when arguably the most accomplished and respected woman player rips her, you don't care. What a fucking joke!! If you want to say "who cares" about somebody, I'd think it would be the opinion of MALE touring pros. And, btw, when were most of these bon mots uttered-in 2004 & 2005? Stay in your little fantasy world about her, but I suggest that if you want to keep your blood pressure down, that you stay out of threads about her where other people reside on Planet Reality...

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The biggest choke in the history of sports, your 2004…NEW...YORK...YANKEES!!!

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

Are you aware of the controversy VJ went thru in his early days? Are you? Dou you think he should be booted from the Hall of Fame?

WTF does VJ have to do with any of this??? As far as I'm aware, he was accused of cheating once in some obscure tourament overseas by several players. I have no idea if he was penalized or not, and, frankly, I don't care.
Wee Wee has a least FOUR dubious actions on her resume-in what has obviously been a relatively brief career-and the latest two have come in the last month. Once again, your head is so far up your ass re: her that you can probably taste Brylcream...[/I]

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The biggest choke in the history of sports, your 2004…NEW...YORK...YANKEES!!!

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

Aly, I've enjoyed your posts more than virtually any other poster in this forum, but, for whatever reason, you have a bug up your ass the size of Rhode Island with Wie. Sorry, I simply don't believe you "...didnt have completely specific stats for 2006...", it's too much of a coincidence that the period you DO have such stats available from a time period that she played pretty well-no WINS, of course, but pretty good results-and the ones that DON'T show that you couldn't be bothered to provide. Such self service is as transparent as it is laughable. Furthermore, you've already lied twice in this thread about minor shit, why stop at something major? Plus, you're completely irrational in trying to claim that I wanted stats from 2004 to 2005-I think it would be hard to find anybody who spoke negatively about her results from that time period, but the thread suggesting that she was getting worse started in September of last year. Everybody in the thread, myself included, agreed that she WAS getting worse-or at least needed a break from playing-but YOU were the only person who firmly denied that she had NOT gotten worse. Of course, it's just a coincidence that you don't have access to that EXACT time period, amazing! What the fuck do I care about her results from 2 to 3 years ago? Combined with her bad play are a number of incidents calling into question her character. You can keep your head imbedded firmly up your ass, but others of us are not inclined to do so. The same extraction is needed on the matter of her injuries: for the umpteenth time, I DO NOT BELIEVE HER INJURES ARE AS SEVERE AS SHE HAS LED PEOPLE TO BELIEVE FOR THE LAST TWO TOURNAMENTS IN WHICH SHE WITHDREW, WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL????????

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The biggest choke in the history of sports, your 2004…NEW...YORK...YANKEES!!!

Yo are calling me a liar now so there is nothing further to say. Will discuss anything with anyone but when you call me a liar I am out. Wrong, clueless, stupid, fool, idiot whatever. But not liar. I even gave you the links in which I got my info. So you could see for yourself. Again, you are calling me a liar so nothing else to say

[Dell Dude]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

Yo are calling me a liar now so there is nothing further to say. Will discuss anything with anyone but when you call me a liar I am out. Wrong, clueless, stupid, fool, idiot whatever. But not liar.

Alysheba, you are WRONG. You are also CLUELESS. So clueless that you are STUPID. That makes you a FOOL and an IDIOT. But, I must say, you are NOT a LIAR.

[Pancho Sanza]

Alysheepherder gets punked by Dell dud, priceless.

[JohnGalt]

You bunch of hardup freaks need to get over this 17 year old girl. It is really pitiful.