Michelle Wie Needs To Go Away

[CompaqDork]

who's the lucky cokksucker who got the handjob from Michelle Wie? apparatnlty that's how she sprained her wrist

[Hartley]

She has numerous top tens in Majors. You want to exclude the top tens she had as an amateur? When she was not allowed to be a pro? You want to wipe the book when she couldnt be a pro? That the events didnt happen?

David Duval was great at one time too. He now stinks and doesn't change the fact he shouldn't be playing in tournaments until he can get his game back.

Regardless, when Duval is on the course he gets little attention now. Wie still has the cameras on her all the time despite the fact she's lousy. Nobody would say anything if she was treated like Liselotte Neumen, Rachel Heatherington or Gloria Park - i.e. golfers who were decent at some point in their careers but generally only get notice and tv time when in contention.

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by Hartley

She has numerous top tens in Majors. You want to exclude the top tens she had as an amateur? When she was not allowed to be a pro? You want to wipe the book when she couldnt be a pro? That the events didnt happen?

David Duval was great at one time too. He now stinks and doesn't change the fact he shouldn't be playing in tournaments until he can get his game back.

Regardless, when Duval is on the course he gets little attention now. Wie still has the cameras on her all the time despite the fact she's lousy. Nobody would say anything if she was treated like Liselotte Neumen, Rachel Heatherington or Gloria Park - i.e. golfers who were decent at some point in their careers but generally only get notice and tv time when in contention.

Hartley, do some research please. I hope your editorials are more researched than the above

First of all there is no comparison between Duval and Wie. Other than most have missed most of the year.


Are you aware why Duval is not playing now? Has nothing to do with performance- wife going thru a real tough time.

His game, left for dead, came back some last year. Did you not notice? Did you not see the attention at last year' US Open? Did you miss the good finish?

You are comparing a grown man, who was number one in the world with a 17 year old girl.

Do you understand that she has rarely played this year and do you understand why?

I keep repeating this, but only because people seem oblivious to it. She has barely played this year due to INJURY.

Finally did any of those golfers you cite above due what she did before they were 17?

[chris@thegreek]

Sometimes kids peak early, there a hundreds of prospects I read about at 14-17 who never make it past there current level

Michelle probably needs a break from the current pressure mill go to college and be a student, and not have her idiot parents follow her to Stanford, if they do, her life will be a living hell

[Dell Dude]

Originally Posted by Dell Dude

I feel this thread needs a chris@olympic reply. This guy has a way of cutting through the bullshitt and laying it down. That's how he rolls, dog.

Weak. chris must not have his good stuff going today. Was expecting him to complain how Dicky V is blowing Wie and how she will tell her father to get lost the first time she hooks up at Stanford.

[alysheba88]

I agree that going to college as planned will be a good move.

Biggest thing though is to get healthy. She shouldnt play again until she is.

Also agree the parents are way too involved

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

Nostaw, I have a feeling you are in for a big surprise in regard to her stats. You seem to think she has missed a bunch of cuts and seem unaware of her top ten finishes in majors, per major. Numbers which are very good.

She did not miss a cut on the womens tour from 2004-2005

She had 15 starts in 2004-2005. 4 top five finishes.

4 top five finishes in majors in 8 starts

I am looking at 2006 and it says she finished in the top 10 of every LPGA vent she entered (thru July), including the majors. I know she tailed off toward the end of the year.

She was ranked as high as two in the world at one point.

She has been hurt all year. Thats why she hasnt played. She tried coming back for the major, just was too soon. Phil has a wrist injury too and he isnt playing. I am sure she is getting pressure to play since she hasnt all year, but she needs to get healthy first.

Apparently you think any result that isnt a win is meaingless.

She has accomplished more before 17 then any golfer in history okay? Dropped the professional. Thought you understood I was talking about professional events.

If you want to gloat about someone being injured go ahead

I didn't specifically say this, but I would have thought it was obvious that I wasn't interested in 2004-2005. That's why there is a thread entitled "Is Michelle Wie getting worse?" I was interested in, say, the last year-and I notice that you give all this stats from a good while ago, and then do the intenet equivalent of mumbling something at the end of a sentence-"...(thru July), including the majors. I know she tailed off toward the end of the year." How about giving us an idea of just how much she tailed off, andposting those results through the end of the year instead of just making a vague reference abou it? How about posting her results for THIS year when she actually played? You're right, when it comes to the type of hype and money that she has received, I'm NOT impressed with a bunch of "top ten finishes" and ZERO winds in close to three years. Furthermore, I don't believe she was hurt, or at least not to the extent that she claims-and I'm not alone. You never addressed the name calling, at least not to me, and the assumption that you knew what people on this forum have accomplished, and you-very revealiing, IMO-refuse to address Annika's comments. Wie was mentioned-briefly, but unflatteringly-on the Sports Reporters, and I am pretty sure that's only gonna be the beginning

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[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by BuzzRavanaugh

nostaw-- sorry to hear about your family, my best to you.

BTW this is a pathetic thread absolutely disgusting.

Its a horribly run Tour and that is showing now in how they are handling the Wie situation. Ochoa is going to be dominant, Pressel and Craemer are going to be very good and are attractive and Gulbis is a stone cold knock out. When Wie gets healthy and returns to form that Tour is going to be great.

Have a good day everyone!!!!

Thanks for the kind words, but I didn't say anything about my family, so I assume you have me confused with somebody else. Have a good one, Buzz...

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[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by Uncle B

searched archived stories, all i could find, was this:





That maybe what you were thinking of?

found it here: Michelle Wie Bogies Her Integrity


not sure what to make of that site itself though, or how serious to take them... seeing as they have "camel_toe" in the friggin url...lol

I came up with this, which I only learned about a few months ago but happened awhile ago. How many "innocent mistakes" are too many?

Writer defends reporting Wie
By Tom Spousta, USA TODAY
PALM DESERT, Calif. — Michael Bamberger, a senior writer with Sports Illustrated, watched intently as Michelle Wie took a penalty drop from an unplayable lie during the third round of the Samsung World Championship.
Shortly afterward, he paced off the distance and determined Wie had dropped her ball closer to the hole, a two-stroke penalty. Bamberger's decision to report the incident to a rules official led to Wie's disqualification and put him under scrutiny as to whether he should have acted as an arbiter of that situation.

"To me, cheating implies intent. I think she was just careless," Bamberger said Monday. "I feel strongly I did the right thing."

Bamberger's actions took him beyond a journalist's role of observing and reporting, according to Bob Steele, senior ethics faculty member at the Poynter Institute in St. Petersburg, Fla.

"If lives are at risk, and the journalist is the only one who can intervene, that's different from citing a rules violation by an athlete," Steele said. "We should report that as part of our journalism. We should not be the whistle-blower who is going to the authorities."

Bamberger waited until late in Sunday's weather-delayed round to approach rules officials, a fact Wie caddie Greg Johnston pointed out to him in a heated exchange outside the media tent. Wie's infraction occurred at the par-5 seventh Saturday, so Bamberger still had 11 holes to report it.

Had he done that, officials would have had an opportunity to confront Wie and assess a two-stroke penalty before she signed her third-round scorecard.

"I can totally understand why people who aren't reporters would make that point. It didn't work for me," Bamberger said. "I could never, as a reporter, see going to the police first rather than asking the subject about it."

Bamberger did ask Wie about the drop after Saturday's round. "It was not on the borderline," she had said.

He was not convinced, and after discussing the matter with SI golf editor Jim Heree, spoke with LPGA rules official Robert O. Smith.

Bamberger's background suggests he understood the particulars of Wie's improper drop, including that her infraction was a correctable mistake. He was a caddie on the PGA Tour for a few seasons in the mid-1980s and briefly on the European Tour in the early '90s. This year he caddied for British Amateur champion Stuart Wilson in The Masters and wrote about the experience.

"The decision was difficult," he said. "You don't want to be part of the story. The goal is not to be, yet sometimes it happens."

Jane Singer, associate professor at the University of Iowa School of Journalism and Mass Communication, said Bamberger saw something ethically wrong and put his role as a person above his job as a reporter.

"He can't help that he saw it. If he doesn't take action, he's kind of complicit in her action," Singer said.

Instead of cashing her first paycheck, Wie forfeited $53,126 and her pro debut will be remembered for a rules dispute rather than a fourth-place finish. She said recreating the drop was guesswork.

"If I did it again, I would still do that because it looked right to me," she said. "But I learned my lesson. I'm going to call a rule official every single time."
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The biggest choke in the history of sports, your 2004…NEW...YORK...YANKEES!!!

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

I didn't specifically say this, but I would have thought it was obvious that I wasn't interested in 2004-2005. That's why there is a thread entitled "Is Michelle Wie getting worse?" I was interested in, say, the last year-and I notice that you give all this stats from a good while ago, and then do the intenet equivalent of mumbling something at the end of a sentence-"...(thru July), including the majors. I know she tailed off toward the end of the year." How about giving us an idea of just how much she tailied off, andposting those results through the end of the year instead of just making a vague reference abou it? How about posting her results for THIS year when she actually played? You're right, when it comes to the type of hype and money that she has received, I'm NOT impressed with a bunch of "top ten finishes" and ZERO winds in close to three years. Furthermore, I don't believe she was hurt, or at least not to the extent that she claims-and I'm not alone. You never addressed the name calling, at least not to me, and the assumption that you knew what people on this forum have accomplished, and you-very revealiing, IMO-refuse to address Annika's comments. Wie was mentioned-briefly, but unflatteringly-on the Sports Reporters, and I am pretty sure that's only gonna be the beginning

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nostaw, dont be a jerk. I have been trying to have an honest discussion with you but you continue to change subjects. I googled her stats and had specifics for 2004-2005 and then gave you what I came up with for 2006. As far as this year I made the mistake of assuming you had a clue and knew she was injured. Like asking for Duvals stats. You seemed not to have any information about her based on your comments. So I did some research for you. In turn you accuse me of manipulating the stats instead of addressing her record

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by BuzzRavanaugh

nostaw-- sorry to hear about your family, my best to you.

BTW this is a pathetic thread absolutely disgusting.

Its a horribly run Tour and that is showing now in how they are handling the Wie situation. Ochoa is going to be dominant, Pressel and Craemer are going to be very good and are attractive and Gulbis is a stone cold knock out. When Wie gets healthy and returns to form that Tour is going to be great.

Have a good day everyone!!!!

If LPGA tour was a stock I would be buying.

A lot of very good young players.

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

I didn't specifically say this, but I would have thought it was obvious that I wasn't interested in 2004-2005. That's why there is a thread entitled "Is Michelle Wie getting worse?" I was interested in, say, the last year-and I notice that you give all this stats from a good while ago, and then do the intenet equivalent of mumbling something at the end of a sentence-"...(thru July), including the majors. I know she tailed off toward the end of the year." How about giving us an idea of just how much she tailied off, andposting those results through the end of the year instead of just making a vague reference abou it? How about posting her results for THIS year when she actually played? You're right, when it comes to the type of hype and money that she has received, I'm NOT impressed with a bunch of "top ten finishes" and ZERO winds in close to three years. Furthermore, I don't believe she was hurt, or at least not to the extent that she claims-and I'm not alone. You never addressed the name calling, at least not to me, and the assumption that you knew what people on this forum have accomplished, and you-very revealiing, IMO-refuse to address Annika's comments. Wie was mentioned-briefly, but unflatteringly-on the Sports Reporters, and I am pretty sure that's only gonna be the beginning

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By the way the title of this thread is not Is Michelle Wie getting worse

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

nostaw, dont be a jerk. I have been trying to have an honest discussion with you but you continue to change subjects. I googled her stats and had specifics for 2004-2005 and then gave you what I came up with for 2006. As far as this year I made the mistake of assuming you had a clue and knew she was injured. Like asking for Duvals stats. You seemed not to have any information about her based on your comments. So I did some research for you. In turn you accuse me of manipulating the stats instead of addressing her record

Change subjects? Not manipulating? I asked how she's been doing, and you chirped happily about her record in 2004 and 2005, mentioning how many top 10 AND how many top 5 finishes she had, and her high ranking, not to mention how she did for appx. the first half of 2006. Then, suddenly, "I know she tailed off at the end of the year." That's IT???? No mention of how many times she finished towards the bottom of the fields in the 2nd half of 2006 and thus far THIS year, no mention whatsoever of how many cuts she missed in that period, NOTHING?!?! I think that any reasonable person who came in and saw the way you presented those two time periods could see from a mile away that you ARE manipulating the stats. And you've got the balls to talk about changing the subject when I've asked you 4 or 5 times what you have to say about Annika's blasting Wie, and you've yet to respond?? Where did I mention David Duvall at any time, can't you read??? You can say how injured she was till you turn blue in the face, I DON'T BELIEVE IT, at least as far as the the last couple of tournaments is concerned.

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[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

By the way the title of this thread is not Is Michelle Wie getting worse

Talk about being a jerk, wtf has happened to your reading skill??????? Did I say, "That's why THIS thread is entitled "Is Michelle Wie getting worse?" No, I didn't, I SAID, That's why there is A thread entitled "Is Michelle Wie getting worse?" A, as in singular, one, there exists. You know, the one where several people started pointing out that her results were going into the shitter, during the time that you so succintly referrred to as a "drop off" but heatedly denied during that thread. Now you've fallen back on the, woe is me, I'm injured defense. I'd venture to say that most people in this thread aren't buying that, and that's ok, but please, don't attribute to me things that I didn't say...

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[Dell Dude]

[nostaw1952]

Don't you have some checks to kite, Jagoff?

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[Dell Dude]

chris@thegreek
Captain Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,090

When she goes to Stanford, her parents are renting or buying a house nearby, this is unreal, until she tells them both to get lost she will never be anything on the tour

I can't wait until the 1st guy she hooks up with, then lets see how important golf is

What kid goes to college and has their parents follow them to keep a eye on them

Now that is classic chris@olympic. I still have my suspicions Railbird and chris@ are one. Have the same, exact posting style and personality. Only difference is Raily likes little league and chris@ likes softball. lmfao

[Dell Dude]

There are only 2 or 3 posters I will open a thread just to read their posts. chris@ is one of them.

[chris@thegreek]

Thanks

Right now I am working on my College and NFL stuff for the upcoming season