Michelle Wie Needs To Go Away

[alysheba88]

99% of the criticism is because she dared play in mens events. If she never played in a PGA event there would not be a peep about her.

She has been hurt all year. Cant people look at the events she has played in? I mean its embarrassing to have to point out on a sports forum that she has missed most of the year due to injury. Doesnt seem like most realize it

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

My question was much like a lawyer who asks a question that he knows the answer to: I'm guessing you're going to bring up something along how many amateur championships she has won compared to other 17 year olds, but we're talking about her as a professional-even YOU used that word-so please don't bore us with any litany of her wins as an amateur. I DO know the following:

1) She has not won a single tournament as a professional, let alone a major, which other, less hyped and less financially rewarded players around her age HAVE won.

2) She is rapidly gaining a reputation as a shady player who will bend and manipulate the rules that most golfers tend to hold in such high esteem. It is also widely believed that she is torpedoing what was a promising career with her awful scheduling of events, her arrogance, and the pressure from those sponsors who want a few titles for their multi-million dollar investment. This reputation is held by a player, Annika Sorenstam, whose credentials are beyond reproach.

3) You have sunken to presuming you know what posters on this forum have or have not accomplished, and to attacking people for having the temerity to have an opinion at odds with your own. Those actions are as uncharacteristic as they are petty, and if you could get over your anger over your golden girl disgracing herself yet again, you would see that.

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For the last time I will try to clarify. AGAIN.

She has numerous top tens in Majors. You want to exclude the top tens she had as an amateur? When she was not allowed to be a pro? You want to wipe the book when she couldnt be a pro? That the events didnt happen?

Point two ignores most of this year. She has been INJURED. Do you know that? She hasnt played in many events. She is injured.

What rules has she bent?

How has she disgraced herself? That is the exact language I have a problem with. Disgrace. Any person who says a 17 year old professional golfer has disgraced herself by being hurt or playing bad is probably not Mother Theresa. Dont follow the Golden Girl stuff. Again if you go back a year you will find several critical comments from me. Several

There is some nasty stuff in this thread. Some perspective is needed.

If people think she will never win or be anything on the LPGA tour I dont have a problem. I disagree but dont have a problem. Its the other nonsense

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

It is pathetic that a bunch of middle aged gamblers pontificate from their mountain about how superior they are to a 17 year old girl. It is meanspirited. Sorry but I dont see meanspirited people making a difference in the world.

Has she been managed properly? Is her game in shape? No to both.

What is your definition of frequently? How can you possibly say she played frequently on the mens tour?

But again the glee in which middle aged men take in a 17 year olds struggles is bizarre and yes pathetic. Thow in the injury factor and its even worse.

If I am pathetic for defending a 17 year olds talent I can live with it.

Pound your chest and rail against a 17 year old girl all you want. If you want to enjoy her current state fine. Get mad at me for calling you on it. Dont much care.

Again it comes down to middle aged men enjoying a young girls struggles. When she is 22-23 crucify her all you want.

Now you've crossed the line from incredibly bad judgement to lying: where EXACTLY did I say I was superior to her???????? And, I just want this "on the record", you ARE taking the ridiculous stance that nobody should ever comment about a public figure unless they've made as much money or accomplished what said figure has accomplished? Surely you realize how ridiculous that sounds! You also have pointedly avoided responding-either today or before when I brought her up-about why Annika could be so "meanspirited" as to criticize Wie's actions. As far as her age, which you've brought up, oh, about a dozen times, I don't give a shit. Her management team isn't 17, and even on things SHE'S caling the shots on, as I and others have pointed out, don't cash big checks as a professional player if you don't feel you should be subject to criticism. We will also agree to disagree about her motives and the extent of her injury. If it turns out that she's out for a long time, that won't necessarily mean prove that she was injured, either: she could just lay low to give that impression, and to lay low in an attempt to difuse the massive criticism that she has received. People start to think like that when you continually act in a shady manner, and when that includes your fellow pros, you've got a problem...

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[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

You are comparing a grown women to Michelle Wie. Are you that blind?

Go back to the title of this thread. You think thats appropriate?

You think because someone gets money that makes them fair game? Honestly? Those are your values?

Why do you keep ignoring Annika's stance on the matter? I think the title is appropriate because I think she is dishonest in addition to being overhyped. If somebody accepts-EAGERLY accepts-the fame and fortune that comes with being allowed to endorse products, compete with the best players in the world-even with the superior players on the men's tour-and tacitly claim that they're too good to compete on the women's tour, you bet your ass they're "fair game." Where are YOUR values in ignoring that a large number of people believe her first "injury" was directly connected to the possibility of her being banned for a year-and please don't try to justify her actions by whining about it being a "stupid" rule...

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[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by Yzerman#19

Aly, I usually agree with you but completely disagree here.

the second she turned "pro" she lost the "I'm 17 dont boo me" excuse. If she's a pro then she takes her lumps like the rest of the pros, if she can't handle it she shouldn't be there.

JMHO- I hate golf anyways just noticed this thread was getting a lot of replies so I figured I'd check it out.

Superbly, and succintly, stated...

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[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

For the last time I will try to clarify. AGAIN.

She has numerous top tens in Majors. You want to exclude the top tens she had as an amateur? When she was not allowed to be a pro? You want to wipe the book when she couldnt be a pro? That the events didnt happen?

Point two ignores most of this year. She has been INJURED. Do you know that? She hasnt played in many events. She is injured.

What rules has she bent?

How has she disgraced herself? That is the exact language I have a problem with. Disgrace. Any person who says a 17 year old professional golfer has disgraced herself by being hurt or playing bad is probably not Mother Theresa. Dont follow the Golden Girl stuff. Again if you go back a year you will find several critical comments from me. Several

There is some nasty stuff in this thread. Some perspective is needed.

If people think she will never win or be anything on the LPGA tour I dont have a problem. I disagree but dont have a problem. Its the other nonsense

Define "numerous." I'm curious how many "numerous" Top Ten finishes she has compared to how many time she has missed the cut-in women's tournaments-or made the cut but finished well back in the pack. I'm also curious how many professional tournaments she has played in. I could be quite wrong about this, but I suspect that for the hype and money she has received thus far, we should be talking about some tournament WINS by now, not "top ten finishes." I'd be willing to bet that there ARE players who have won something by the time they'd played as many tournaments as she has-and even if they HADN'T, they haven't received the money and hype that she has. As far as "wiping" things out, you did EXACTLY what I predicted: I don't care WHAT she did as an amateur, or why she wasn't alowed to play, we're talking about WHEN SHE TURNED PROFESSIONAL-"She has accomplished more than any professional golfer in history before age 18-THAT sound familiar? And I asked what has she accomplished as a professional, and the answer is, much to your-and her-chagrin, not much.

Point two: Oy, the injuries again. Sorry to beat a dead horse, but if you're injured, don't play, if you play, don't whine about injuries. In the tournaments she HAS played in, what's her average score and finish? As for what rules she has bent, there was some incident some months ago, I don't remember the specifics but I'm sure that a poster who doesn't have an agenda can google it, where she did something against the rules-inappropriately marked her ball, moved a blade of grass when she couldn't, something like that-and she claimed she didn't know the rules. That doesn't ring true, and you can take her at face value when she had her "wrist injury" when within two shots of a year long ban, I DON'T. ESPECIALLY since she was seen practicing a few days later. That's the part that Annika commented on, and, for the umpteenth time, I ask, why do you not have any comment on Annika's stance on the subject or belittling HER "accomplishments?" You didn't even address Point Three, I'm assuming because, more than on any of the other points, you realize you were wrong. As far as disgracing herself, I suspect that you avoid her bad press the way a thin skinned actor avoids bad reviews, both for the "88 ban" fiasco and for what I assume will be a shitload of criticism over this latest fiasco. Since it irks you so much that so many of us think she deserves to be ripped, I don't understand why you don't just breeze on by such threads...

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[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

99% of the criticism is because she dared play in mens events. If she never played in a PGA event there would not be a peep about her.

She has been hurt all year. Cant people look at the events she has played in? I mean its embarrassing to have to point out on a sports forum that she has missed most of the year due to injury. Doesnt seem like most realize it

That's an absolute falsehood. If she had never played in a men's tournament but was hyped the way she has been hyped, still hadn't won anything on the women's tour, and pulled she shit she's pulled, BELIEVE me, she'd still be getting ripped-just not as much. Whether you want to believe it or not, she is, more and more, being perceived as a sleeze...

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[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

[b] As for what rules she has bent, there was some incident some months ago, I don't remember the specifics but I'm sure that a poster who doesn't have an agenda can google it, where she did something against the rules-inappropriately marked her ball, moved a blade of grass when she couldn't, something like that-and she claimed she didn't know the rules.

searched archived stories, all i could find, was this:

There was also the incident at hole 15 that challenges Wie’s character. This one involves Rule 8-1. From ESPN.com:

Rule 8-1 forbids a player from soliciting advice. “During a stipulated round,” the rule states, “a player must not … ask for advice from anyone other than his partner or either of their caddies.” The penalty is 2 strokes. Then Wie’s father, B.J., said something to her caddie. More than one reporter present heard him say, “What about the tee?” Within seconds, Michelle decided to go back to the tee to hit again. She told her playing partners to putt out as she walked back to the beginning of the hole.

That maybe what you were thinking of?

found it here: Michelle Wie Bogies Her Integrity


not sure what to make of that site itself though, or how serious to take them... seeing as they have "camel_toe" in the friggin url...lol

[nostaw1952]

Nah, that's not it, that happened this week, I heard something a month or two ago. But thannks for digging up the info, throw another log on the fire that's burning up her rep. But, be kind, she's only 17...



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[Uncle B]

np, just bored shitless, and can't leave the house..

[Yzerman#19]

Originally Posted by Uncle B

np, just bored shitless, and can't leave the house..

Ankle bracelet?

[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by Yzerman#19

Ankle bracelet?

LOL



Nah... Spending the night at the in-laws, so my father-in-law can get some rest..

Mother-in-law is getting worse by the day now, and needs someone ''attentive'' pretty much 24/7..

[Yzerman#19]

ugh sorry to hear that Uncle B

[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by Yzerman#19

ugh sorry to hear that Uncle B

Thanks, could be worse i guess.

Worst thing about it all really, is that it's been going on so long now....Hard enough seeing someone go like this, but, seeing it take it's toll on an entire family, over such a long period...It ain't easy.

Actually... There is a really sad, shitty situation unfolding right now here, that i just don't know wtf to do with, or, if i should do anything at all.... Was actually gonna ask about it on here a few days ago, but, no way to word it right i guess.

Just a problem thats getting really ugly and painful for the wife, regarding her mother.....And i hate just sitting by, and doing nothing, but, under the circumstances, i don't know if there is anything i can do anyways.



Makes it worse though being here so much, and having so much 'quiet' time, that i am stuck sitting and thinking about it all, and so it's making it worse and worse as time goes on...

Just one of those things where you wanna say or do something, but, just don't know wtf to do.

[Uncle B]

sorry, didn't mean to ramble on...lol

like i said, i'm just bored shitless...

[Dell Dude]

Who cares about the stupid Asian bitch. Unless she poses nude for Playboy or has homemade sex tapes posted on on the internet, I could care less.

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

Define "numerous." I'm curious how many "numerous" Top Ten finishes she has compared to how many time she has missed the cut-in women's tournaments-or made the cut but finished well back in the pack. I'm also curious how many professional tournaments she has played in. I could be quite wrong about this, but I suspect that for the hype and money she has received thus far, we should be talking about some tournament WINS by now, not "top ten finishes." I'd be willing to bet that there ARE players who have won something by the time they'd played as many tournaments as she has-and even if they HADN'T, they haven't received the money and hype that she has. As far as "wiping" things out, you did EXACTLY what I predicted: I don't care WHAT she did as an amateur, or why she wasn't alowed to play, we're talking about WHEN SHE TURNED PROFESSIONAL-"She has accomplished more than any professional golfer in history before age 18-THAT sound familiar? And I asked what has she accomplished as a professional, and the answer is, much to your-and her-chagrin, not much.

Point two: Oy, the injuries again. Sorry to beat a dead horse, but if you're injured, don't play, if you play, don't whine about injuries. In the tournaments she HAS played in, what's her average score and finish? As for what rules she has bent, there was some incident some months ago, I don't remember the specifics but I'm sure that a poster who doesn't have an agenda can google it, where she did something against the rules-inappropriately marked her ball, moved a blade of grass when she couldn't, something like that-and she claimed she didn't know the rules. That doesn't ring true, and you can take her at face value when she had her "wrist injury" when within two shots of a year long ban, I DON'T. ESPECIALLY since she was seen practicing a few days later. That's the part that Annika commented on, and, for the umpteenth time, I ask, why do you not have any comment on Annika's stance on the subject or belittling HER "accomplishments?" You didn't even address Point Three, I'm assuming because, more than on any of the other points, you realize you were wrong. As far as disgracing herself, I suspect that you avoid her bad press the way a thin skinned actor avoids bad reviews, both for the "88 ban" fiasco and for what I assume will be a shitload of criticism over this latest fiasco. Since it irks you so much that so many of us think she deserves to be ripped, I don't understand why you don't just breeze on by such threads...

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Nostaw, I have a feeling you are in for a big surprise in regard to her stats. You seem to think she has missed a bunch of cuts and seem unaware of her top ten finishes in majors, per major. Numbers which are very good.

She did not miss a cut on the womens tour from 2004-2005

She had 15 starts in 2004-2005. 4 top five finishes.

4 top five finishes in majors in 8 starts

I am looking at 2006 and it says she finished in the top 10 of every LPGA vent she entered (thru July), including the majors. I know she tailed off toward the end of the year.

She was ranked as high as two in the world at one point.

She has been hurt all year. Thats why she hasnt played. She tried coming back for the major, just was too soon. Phil has a wrist injury too and he isnt playing. I am sure she is getting pressure to play since she hasnt all year, but she needs to get healthy first.

Apparently you think any result that isnt a win is meaingless.

She has accomplished more before 17 then any golfer in history okay? Dropped the professional. Thought you understood I was talking about professional events.

If you want to gloat about someone being injured go ahead

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by Uncle B

LOL



Nah... Spending the night at the in-laws, so my father-in-law can get some rest..

Mother-in-law is getting worse by the day now, and needs someone ''attentive'' pretty much 24/7..

Sorry to hear about that.

Sorry for being heated yesterday. Just gets me when I think people are piling on. I could have argued my position better and stayed on point. Sorry, I was out of line


Take care

[BuzzRavanaugh]

nostaw-- sorry to hear about your family, my best to you.

BTW this is a pathetic thread absolutely disgusting.

Its a horribly run Tour and that is showing now in how they are handling the Wie situation. Ochoa is going to be dominant, Pressel and Craemer are going to be very good and are attractive and Gulbis is a stone cold knock out. When Wie gets healthy and returns to form that Tour is going to be great.

Have a good day everyone!!!!