Michelle Wie Needs To Go Away

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by rockingham

alysheba,
How do you define accomplishment in life? Contributing to society in science, engineering, business and medicine; or is it by having some success at hitting a liitle white ball into a hole?


Personally, I root for Michelle Wie, it is unfair because Nike and her family have put a lot of pressure on her to succeed, and that is unfortunate at such a young age. But she cashes the enormous checks as well, which does subject her to criticism by the masses.

Yeah we can get into that whole discussion. The meaning of life.

I am confident we would agree more than disagree on that subject. Not much on celebrity worship. Agree much more important things in life

But we are talking about a bunch of middle aged gamblers (many no doubt out of shape), whose sports highlight is a chalked up double against Jimmy Pimpleface in 6th grade ripping into her. I dont think we are talking about Mother Theresa figures here, sorry.

[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

That attitude of yours exhibits what I referred to as an enormous blind spot when it comes to her: you can't gush about her accomplishments amongst adults-although there has precious little of that lately-and then coo, "oh, go easy on her, she's still a little girl!" when she does something wrong. First of all, you don't KNOW what the people who have ripped her on this forum have accomplished, and secondly, are you taking the ridiculous stance that nobody should ever comment about a public figure unless they've made as much money or accomplished what said figure has accomplished? As far as her play goes, that's a separate issue, one that is addressed on an ongoing basis in the "Is Michelle Wie getting worse?" thread-one that you are mostly silent on nowadays except for the odd surly comment or so-and even there, I've asked several golf fans about your stance that Wie is, or will be, vastly superior to Morgan Pressel, and, to a man, they all said you didn't know what you are talking about. But this isn't about her play, or, at best, that's a side issue here: it's about her tactics, her choices on developing her game, and her attitude. There were numerous people who predicted right from the start that her frequently playing on the men's tour before learning to win on the women's tour was a huge mistake for her development, and those people haven't exactly been proven wrong, have they? If you want to keep pretending that a player who withdraws twice within a month, in the manner that she did, and with the circumstances that surrounded her, is business as usual, you go right ahead. Many of us have our eyes wide open, and have suspicions both about the extent of her injury-and I'm tired of hearing about THAT, too, if you're injured, don't play, if you play, don't alibi-and her motives for withdrawing. You think we're pathetic for commenting on that, that's your privilege; personally, I think it's pathetic that you have your head in the sand when it comes to this player, so I guess we're even...

excellent post..

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by Uncle B

excellent post..

Actually its nothing but hysterical hyberbole, that doesnt come close to what I am saying, Uncle Numnutts. Sad day when you were hired here

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

Actually, I'm tired of hearing THIS mantra, too: she hasn't won a tournament, much less a major, never made a cut on the men's tour despite numerous attempts, so, other than pad her bank account since her team was able to find saps willing to throw money at her for not winning anything, a la Kournakova, more power to her, what exactly has she accomplished????

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If you dont know what she has accomplished in relation to others who have played the game why are you commenting?

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by rockingham

alysheba,
How do you define accomplishment in life? Contributing to society in science, engineering, business and medicine; or is it by having some success at hitting a liitle white ball into a hole?


Personally, I root for Michelle Wie, it is unfair because Nike and her family have put a lot of pressure on her to succeed, and that is unfortunate at such a young age. But she cashes the enormous checks as well, which does subject her to criticism by the masses.

Excellent points, and your mention of her being subject to criticism-like all other pros, especially given the money she gets-jogs my memory of a prime example of somebody in agreement with us "pathetic" he-men: Annika Sorenstam, whose accomplishments as a player are beyond reproach, and who is, as far as I am aware, not prone to rash statements or undue criticism of other players. As a matter of fact, I seem to remember her showing a lot of class and restraint when some of the top male players made some snappy comments about HER being allowed to play with men. Yet, she felt compellled to question the extent of Wie's injury and her motives after her FIRST pullout a short time ago, so please don't act like we're just a bunch of know nothings with no perspective on what we're watching...

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[Uncle B]

You can sink to personal attacks, won't change the fact that this chick fakes an injury nowadays, every time she is in a jam.

For people to overlook that, just because she is talented, is pathetic and small minded.


Of course, none of that matters... All that matters here now, is that not everyone agrees with you...So, they must all be wrong, of course.

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

That attitude of yours exhibits what I referred to as an enormous blind spot when it comes to her: you can't gush about her accomplishments amongst adults-although there has precious little of that lately-and then coo, "oh, go easy on her, she's still a little girl!" when she does something wrong. First of all, you don't KNOW what the people who have ripped her on this forum have accomplished, and secondly, are you taking the ridiculous stance that nobody should ever comment about a public figure unless they've made as much money or accomplished what said figure has accomplished? As far as her play goes, that's a separate issue, one that is addressed on an ongoing basis in the "Is Michelle Wie getting worse?" thread-one that you are mostly silent on nowadays except for the odd surly comment here and there-and even in THAT area, I've asked several golf fans about your stance that Wie is, or will be, vastly superior to Morgan Pressel, and, to a man, they all said you didn't know what you are talking about. But this isn't about her play, or, at best, that's a side issue here: it's about her tactics, her choices on developing her game, and her attitude. There were numerous people who predicted right from the start that her frequently playing on the men's tour before learning to win on the women's tour was a huge mistake for her development, and those people haven't exactly been proven wrong, have they? If you want to keep pretending that a player who withdraws twice within a month, in the manner that she did, and with the circumstances that surrounded her, is business as usual, you go right ahead. Many of us have our eyes wide open, and have suspicions both about the extent of her injury-and I'm tired of hearing about THAT, too, if you're injured, don't play, if you play, don't alibi-and her motives for withdrawing. You think we're pathetic for commenting on that, that's your privilege; personally, I think it's pathetic that you have your head in the sand when it comes to this player, so I guess we're even...

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It is pathetic that a bunch of middle aged gamblers pontificate from their mountain about how superior they are to a 17 year old girl. It is meanspirited. Sorry but I dont see meanspirited people making a difference in the world.

Has she been managed properly? Is her game in shape? No to both.

What is your definition of frequently? How can you possibly say she played frequently on the mens tour?

But again the glee in which middle aged men take in a 17 year olds struggles is bizarre and yes pathetic. Thow in the injury factor and its even worse.

If I am pathetic for defending a 17 year olds talent I can live with it.

Pound your chest and rail against a 17 year old girl all you want. If you want to enjoy her current state fine. Get mad at me for calling you on it. Dont much care.

Again it comes down to middle aged men enjoying a young girls struggles. When she is 22-23 crucify her all you want.

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

Excellent points, and your mention of her being subject to criticism-like all other pros, especially given the money she gets-jogs my memory of a prime example of somebody in agreement with us "pathetic" he-men: Annika Sorenstam, whose accomplishments as a player are beyond reproach, and who is, as far as I am aware, not prone to rash statements or undue criticism of other players. As a matter of fact, I seem to remember her showing a lot of class and restraint when some of the top male players made some snappy comments about HER being allowed to play with men. Yet, she felt compellled to question the extent of Wie's injury and her motives after her FIRST pullout a short time ago, so please don't act like we're just a bunch of know nothings with no perspective on what we're watching...

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You are comparing a grown women to Michelle Wie. Are you that blind?

Go back to the title of this thread. You think thats appropriate?

You think because someone gets money that makes them fair game? Honestly? Those are your values?

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by Uncle B

You can sink to personal attacks, won't change the fact that this chick fakes an injury nowadays, every time she is in a jam.

For people to overlook that, just because she is talented, is pathetic and small minded.


Of course, none of that matters... All that matters here now, is that not everyone agrees with you...So, they must all be wrong, of course.

Personal attacks? lol. Because I said it was a sad day you were hired?

You go where the paycheck is. You will badmouth Russ if Ken pays you. You will badmouth Ken if Russ pays you.

Am I supposed to listen to a guy who calls anyone who has a problem with a tv special a pedophilia?

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by Uncle B

You can sink to personal attacks, won't change the fact that this chick fakes an injury nowadays, every time she is in a jam.

For people to overlook that, just because she is talented, is pathetic and small minded.


Of course, none of that matters... All that matters here now, is that not everyone agrees with you...So, they must all be wrong, of course.

Everytime is twice you realize right? The "chick" is 17

[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

Everytime is twice you realize right?

True, considering all the tourneys she has played, the incidents are rare.

I am just saying, she is a professional athlete, on a worldwide stage.. Those sorts of actions are bound to be criticised.

To say she should be above reproach becuse she is "only 17", seems weak to me...She is the one who chose to compete at that level.

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by nostaw1952

Excellent points, and your mention of her being subject to criticism-like all other pros, especially given the money she gets-jogs my memory of a prime example of somebody in agreement with us "pathetic" he-men: Annika Sorenstam, whose accomplishments as a player are beyond reproach, and who is, as far as I am aware, not prone to rash statements or undue criticism of other players. As a matter of fact, I seem to remember her showing a lot of class and restraint when some of the top male players made some snappy comments about HER being allowed to play with men. Yet, she felt compellled to question the extent of Wie's injury and her motives after her FIRST pullout a short time ago, so please don't act like we're just a bunch of know nothings with no perspective on what we're watching...

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As far as being blind go back in this forum a year and look for my thread where I discussed at length, my feelings about her game after seeing her in person

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by Uncle B

True, considering all the tourneys she has played, the incidents are rare.

I am just saying, she is a professional athlete, on a worldwide stage.. Those sorts of actions are bound to be criticised.

To say she should be above reproach becuse she is "only 17", seems weak to me...She is the one who chose to compete at that level.

I am not saying she is above reproach. I am going to wait to see what happens here with this injury. If she plays next week I might feel differently. If she is out a few months will you feel differently?

Yes she is a pro, she is also 17.

My only real problem is the glee in which people appear to take in regard to a 17 year old girl. There is a difference between rooting against Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens and a 17 year old. At least to me. I know for sure I am in the minority on this.

[Yzerman#19]

Aly, I usually agree with you but completely disagree here.

the second she turned "pro" she lost the "I'm 17 dont boo me" excuse. If she's a pro then she takes her lumps like the rest of the pros, if she can't handle it she shouldn't be there.

JMHO- I hate golf anyways just noticed this thread was getting a lot of replies so I figured I'd check it out.

[alysheba88]

A year ago she missed a playoff for the US Open by two shots

She has several top 10's on majors. Several.

Yet wouldnt know it from reading this thread

If you guys want to insist she is perfectly healthy and this injury is a fake and fraud go ahead. Way off base if you ask me

[alysheba88]

Originally Posted by Yzerman#19

Aly, I usually agree with you but completely disagree here.

the second she turned "pro" she lost the "I'm 17 dont boo me" excuse. If she's a pro then she takes her lumps like the rest of the pros, if she can't handle it she shouldn't be there.

JMHO- I hate golf anyways just noticed this thread was getting a lot of replies so I figured I'd check it out.

Listen., her game stinks right now. I think she is injured. Apparently most here dont think she is hurt.

I have no problem with people criticizing her game, or her recent approach. But just seems like it crosses the line.

I think she is fair game for how she conducts herself. Again, I dont believe she is faking. Others do

[Uncle B]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

I am not saying she is above reproach. I am going to wait to see what happens here with this injury. If she plays next week I might feel differently. If she is out a few months will you feel differently?

Yes she is a pro, she is also 17.

My only real problem is the glee in which people appear to take in regard to a 17 year old girl. There is a difference between rooting against Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens and a 17 year old. At least to me. I know for sure I am in the minority on this.

Sure, if she winds up legitimately injured, then it is a whole different story.

Ftr, i don't have anything against her at all, besides these new "tactics" she seems to be employing...And even there, i don't think it's a "huge" blemish on her career, etc.. I just don't think age should excuse her from being criticised for it.

Even if she never wins a major tourney, i think she's a pretty remarkable player...Especially at this age.

[Dell Dude]

I feel this thread needs a chris@olympic reply. This guy has a way of cutting through the bullshitt and laying it down. That's how he rolls, dog.

[nostaw1952]

Originally Posted by alysheba88

If you dont know what she has accomplished in relation to others who have played the game why are you commenting?

My question was much like a lawyer who asks a question that he knows the answer to: I'm guessing you're going to bring up something along how many amateur championships she has won compared to other 17 year olds, but we're talking about her as a professional-even YOU used that word-so please don't bore us with any litany of her wins as an amateur. I DO know the following:

1) She has not won a single tournament as a professional, let alone a major, which other, less hyped and less financially rewarded players around her age HAVE won.

2) She is rapidly gaining a reputation as a shady player who will bend and manipulate the rules that most golfers tend to hold in such high esteem. It is also widely believed that she is torpedoing what was a promising career with her awful scheduling of events, her arrogance, and the pressure from those sponsors who want a few titles for their multi-million dollar investment. This reputation is held by a player, Annika Sorenstam, whose credentials are beyond reproach.

3) You have sunken to presuming you know what posters on this forum have or have not accomplished, and to attacking people for having the temerity to have an opinion at odds with your own. Those actions are as uncharacteristic as they are petty, and if you could get over your anger over your golden girl disgracing herself yet again, you would see that.

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