Mikey Cash, CZ are you giving up on Lost?

[Johnny Detroit]

The only twist, is you the dance twist of you two at the gay bar.

[Yzerman#19]

"Who the hell is Nikki?" - best quote of the season.. in possibly the worst episode of the season.

trying to look on the positive side here Mr. Cash but dammit I can't find one, what was the purpose of this episode? Introduce these new characters and then kill them? not advance the plot at all? Show what geniuses they are by the fact they found the stations before the rest of the idiot losties? How about the walkie talkies, will that be another thing that never gets an answer. However I will admit Nikki is(was) hot and the running scene was bouncingly great

overall typically frustrating

next week's cat fight between Kate and Juliet looks promising

[Michael Cash]

Let me look around for JD the TV nazi before I comment. ok

Crappy episode I agree. I told someone earlier it kinda looked like a filler episode they just threw together because they were behind in their filming schedule. Many of the scenes in this epsiode were just other camera angles or in some cases the exact same shot we saw during season 1.

I don't think there is much to take away from this episode. Looks like Sawyer better watch his step moving forward as Hurley is mad suspicious of him now. It was interesting to see that Ben and Juliet had a plan for Jack for sometime and they didn't appear to use the hatch door to enter the pearl station. Also that they had to come to the pearl to look at the swan so I guess that means they can't do it from the flame station or the barracks.

I think this also leaves the door open for a jump the shark moment. I only heard that Paulo died in advance of this episode not Nikki so I was shocked to see her being buried alive. If either of them rise from the grave somehow I am gonna be pissed.

[SeattleSlew]

Don't know how you could call it the worst episode -- not even close.

IMO was the most twisted and humorous by far. Definitely a strong stand alone episode.

Also thought it was cool you could hear the "smoke" right before the spiders crawled out from nowhere

[Yzerman#19]

ok Mikey Cash, let's hear your thoughts.

I feel like a cubs fan- disappointed already looking ahead for next (week).

looks promising maybe juliet will tell all OR maybe that'll happen and the 10:56 mark and we'll wait another week.

[Uncle B]

you wanna watch something really interesting, switch over to the History Channel.. they are running a special on the building of the Epcot Center, and Disney World in Fla.


crazy shit they were able to do in Disney, way back then....the tunnels under the park are cool as Hell too actually.

makes me wanna plug some lamps into an extension cord, and grab a shovel.

[Yzerman#19]

I think I'm going to have myself a little prison break marathon, have the last 3 episodes of the season downloaded and waiting.. might be another 4:00am bedtime for #19

[Yzerman#19]

wtf where did Mikey Cash go? is bodog having a party? (cheap shot) Is there a secret buffett I don't know about? (cheaper shot)

lets hear some thoughts

[Kwhit10]

The end of this past episode led me to believe that jack and julie were left behind on purpose and still know whats going on. It seems like this is another mind game of the others.

[Bostongambler]

Originally Posted by Yzerman#19

wtf where did Mikey Cash go? is bodog having a party? (cheap shot) Is there a secret buffett I don't know about? (cheaper shot)

lets hear some thoughts

Became a monk?

[Michael Cash]

I'm here, I didn't see the post the other day sorry. Calvin has me spritzing models. Wynn buffet rocks btw.

Re: this week... Juliette is definitely not left behind. I think the whole branding, and leaving her is all a setup. Next week claires kid gets sick and surprise, Juliet is a fertility doctor who tried to snatch Aaron before with Ethan. I mean her shit just dont mesh. She obviously wasn't gassed with Kate because she was the one who handcuffed herself to Kate AND she had the cuff key. I am definitely of the opinion she is there to infiltrate the camp, most likely because of claires kid and hasn't been disassociated with the others at all.

One thing that bothered me about this episode though was how long Jack (and possibly Sayid) were out. Kate and Julie wake up in the dark, run from the monster, go to sleep and wake up and run from the monster some more before hitting the barracks and Jack is STILL out cold. That timeline just doesn't jive.

Other then that I am the same as you, waiting for next week. I am eager to see what happened to Juliet since lost in portland and I can't wait even more for 2 weeks from now when the flashbacks are supposedly of Dharma founders the DeGroots

MC

[Yzerman#19]

MIKEY CASH WAY TO CALL IT, it was a setup all along, I finally believed it when she picked up the medicine in the jungle, just too convenient for my liking.

5 episodes left, looking sharp!

[Michael Cash]

I might of been sort of wrong about her. After last night, she doesn't seem to be with Ben and co. as much as she is determined, even desperate to get off the island. I think in the end she will come to clean to Jack and her and the losties will team up against Ben but for now she is gonna do whatever Ben tells her because she knows he is the only one who can get her home. She doesn't even know where she is mind you. I am still a little confused though about the whole branding thing, I am still of the opinion that was a scam too for Jack's benefit but who knows.

Now that it is picking up again the worst part about each week is waiting for the next week

MC

[Michael Cash]

Came across this on Buddy TV, dont look if u don't want to see the previews for the upcoming episodes






















3.17 - Catch 22 (Desmond Centered)
Desmond gets a flash of the future and enlists Hurley, Charlie, and Jin to join him on a mysterious hike. Hurley becomes suspicious that Desmond may be acting without everybody's best interests in mind. Desmond's vision reference the cable that Sayid, and later Hurley, found in season one. If you'll recall, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse told BuddyTV that a major reveal was coming up concerning that cable later on. This episode will close with Desmond and the gang finding a mysterious parachutist named Naomi who may have compelling information concerning one of the current island occupants.

3.18 - D.O.C (Sun/Jin Centered)
Juliet finds out that Sun is pregnant and tells her that women who conceive on the island could die if they carry to term. Sun responds by telling her that the baby may not have been conceived on the island, in fact it may not even be Jin's child. So the two set off for the medical hatch to try to determine when the baby was conceived. Meanwhile, Desmond and his crew scramble to save the life of the mysterious Naomi and are assisted by an old enemy, seems eye patch guy survived the fence after all.

3.19 - The Brig (Locke Centered)
Locke slips away from the others and lures Sawyer away from the beach. Flashbacks will reveal what Locke has been up to with the others since they abandoned their 'village'. In a secluded Dharma holding cell, Locke will bring Sawyer together with Anthony Cooper for a fate full encounter that will resolve a long standing season one mystery. Meanwhile, Naomi will return to the beach with some alarming information concerning flight 815, but can she be trusted?

3.20 - The Man Behind the Curtain (Ben Centered)
The past of the island is explored including how Dharma came to be there, why, and what the fateful 'purge' was really all about. Flashbacks will show Ben through various ages up until adulthood. The mysterious 'Jacob' will finally be revealed, and the question of whether any Dharma members still live will be revealed.

3.21 - The Truth About Lying / The Greatest Hits (Charlie Centric)
Rescue is finally at hand for the survivors of Oceanic 815, but first someone must reconnect an underwater sonar beacon. Despite his foretold death, Charlie volunteers. Copious rumors suggest that Charlie dies in this episode, but some new rumors I've been hearing suggest that this is a huge misdirection and there will be another highly unexpected major character death instead.

3.22/3.23 - Through the Looking Glass (Jack Centric)
This episode promises a Jack revelation of legendary proportions! Also, there will finally be an en masse collision between the beach folk and the Other's. On the speculation end of things, folks are saying that the island folk will split into two factions themselves, one led by Jack, and one by Sawyer, but the division will be at the will of another, and for purposes no one will expect.

[Dell Dude]

Originally Posted by Michael Cash

3.19 - The Brig (Locke Centered)
Locke slips away from the others and lures Sawyer away from the beach. Flashbacks will reveal what Locke has been up to with the others since they abandoned their 'village'. In a secluded Dharma holding cell, Locke will bring Sawyer together with Anthony Cooper for a fate full encounter that will resolve a long standing season one mystery.

Well I guess we now know who the conman was who got Tom Sawyer's father to commit a murder/suicide.

[Michael Cash]

I almost wanna stop watching now and tivo the last 5 and watch them all at once. No chance I have that kind of control though i love this show

[count zero]

The above thumbnail for episode 3.21 says there will be a major character death on that show. Defining "major" character as any of the original season-one characters plus Desmond, Juliet and Ben, here are my odds that each one of them bites the dust:

Ben -- the bad guy is always vulnerable, but IMO Ben and the Others will turn out to be good guys. Also, Ben survived the carnage that wiped out most of the season-two characters (Ana Lucia, Libby, etc), so there's a good chance the writers have more planned for him. Unless the Others fade out of the plot line, I'm thinking you have to have a heavy, and why should they waste Ben and have to build up some new character as the bad guy? Odds: 10:1

Charlie -- is there any character we want to see dead more than Charlie? OK, there is (see next entry), but Charlie has practically been dead a couple of times already (strangled by Ethan, drowned trying to save Claire), to the point where it seems the writers had marked him for elimination a long time ago. Additionally, his story arc is more or less complete, and there's the whole business of Desmond forseeing Charlie's death; that was a great moment in a great Desmond episode earlier this season, and the writers either have to pay that moment off (by killing Charlie) or pretend it never happened, which has all too often been the way the Lost writers handle this kind of thing. Against Charlie being killed, however, is the simple fact that it's too obvious, and if there's one thing you can count on from Lost it's that as soon as something becomes "clear," the writers undermine it. Odds: 3:1

Claire -- Oh please oh please oh please. Pointless, ineffective, sappy character. Too many unrealistically attractive women on that plane to begin with, but why have one who's such a whiny pain in the ass? Charlie sure couldn't have been getting much action back in the world if he's that hung up on Claire. But her story is incomplete (what did that fortuneteller know and how did he know it?), we've just found out she's Jack's step-sister, and new mommies just aren't good candidates for horrible death scenes. Dammit. Odds: 10:1

Desmond -- what a disaster it would be for Desmond to get it. He's one of the most interesting and attractive characters on the show right now. He's technically in danger by virtue of being a season-two addition, but his backstory is shaping up as vital to the plot, with Desmond apparently having somehow communicated his situation to Penny during one of his visitations to his past life. Also, since he's trapped in a Groundhog Day-type loop, it wouldn't make sense for him to die this time around when he obviously hasn't before. Guessing that the next Desmond episode would have to be his logical spot to die, but that episode appears to be scheduled earlier than the fateful episode 21. Odds: 10:1

Hurley -- no way. The character is enormously popular and has little dramatic weight. Killing Hugo would just seem petty and cruel. Also, we'd never find out the deal with the numbers, although I'm thinking we're never gonna hear about the numbers again anyway. Odds: 100:1

Jack -- don't discount the possibility. According to one interview I read with the producers, the original plan was to kill Jack off at the end of season one. Killing a major character early in a series or movie opens up a lot of possibilities in terms of whether or not you can be induced to worry about the fates of the other heroes. Also, Jack has become a bit darker in recent episodes (although the show periodically darkens all its characters, then just lightens them right back up the next week -- remember Charlie abducting Sun, or Sawyer stealing the guns?), and appears to be splitting off from the original group. Killing Jack would open the story up for Locke and Desmond to take the leads. And don't forget that Matthew Fox has a developing movie career and might be interested in getting out. Still, a long shot. Odds: 15:1

Jin -- Jin was marked for death in season one, but the actor who portrays him became a well-liked figure on the set (sort of the opposite of Michelle Rodriguez), and they rewrote the script to keep him in. I personally would like to see him go, mostly so that Sun would be free to seek romantic involvement elsewhere, hopefully with me. Since he's committed some Bad Acts in the past, Jin is a definite candidate. Getting rid of him would also simplify the Sun pregnancy arc. Odds: 3:1

Juliet -- an obvious choice. She's been both bad and good, and it often happens to fictional characters who have been bad but then turned to good that they die in some self-sacrificing way that expiates their sins. Can easily see Juliet dying in the act of helping the good guys against the Others in some showdown. Would hold it against the show if they resort to such a cliche, so I hope it's not Juliet, but on the other hand she doesn't bring much to the table, and the longer the writers keep her around, the harder it will be for them to dodge the issue of why the good guys don't just force her to tell them what's going on. Odds: 2:1

Kate -- very unlikely, but an intriguing possibility. Except for Sawyer, the other characters have been subtly turning against Kate lately, and her past has been shown in an increasingly unsympathetic way. Also, now that she's boinked Sawyer, she's vulnerable to being killed, since attractive women who have sex for pleasure with the second lead are always major targets in this kind of melodrama. Plus she can never be the love of Jack's life now that she's been with Sawyer, so she's not really leading-lady material any more. Not sure whether her story arc is complete yet (never got clear on the bank robbery/toy airplane thing, or the old boyfriend she killed). Not as outlandish a candidate as you might think. Odds: 8:1

Locke -- very unlikely. It appears to me that Locke is indispensible to the show. Would be a big deal, and his story arc could easily be completed by the time he buys the farm, but it makes no sense for the writers to sacrifice such a rich character for a single shock effect. Of course, when you're dead in Lost, that doesn't mean you still can't be on the show every week. Odds: 50:1

Michael -- forgot about this guy, didn't you? Walt too, I'm guessing, but IMO Walt's out of the show more or less permanently, since the actor who portrayed him has gone through puberty since his last appearance. But Michael did a Really Bad Thing, and I see no reason why the writers wouldn't be willing to pay that off by bringing him back, letting him deliver some exposition about what happened to Walt, then offing him. Another good candidate for the selfless death that wipes out his bad acts. Odds: 2:1

Sayid -- very unlikely. Too many people respond positively to Sayid, and his death wouldn't accomplish much dramatically. Some of his backstory is still unresolved. But if they kill him off, at least he'd be reunited with Shannon. Has there ever been a prime-time romance that seemed less believable? Especially compared to Shannon's incest arc, which was totally believable. Odds: 25:1

Sawyer -- no way. Probably the most popular character on the show right now, at least to judge by the covers of the supermarket tabloids. Odds:150:1

Sun -- very worried here. Sun is pregnant, and we've just learned that pregnant women die on this island. She also has no real role on the show, no compelling backstory, and is a paper-thin Asian stereotype. On the other hand, so many women were offed last season that the odds are it will be a male this time. Plus the Others like babies, so maybe Sun will be spared until she can deliver. Suggestion to the producers: a major nude scene for Sun. Break down the barriers, dammit; we're all grownups at 10 PM. I'm talking spread beaver here. Odds: 2:1

Field (Rousseau, Rose, Bernard, Alex, Aaron, Walt, Vincent) -- hard not to root for Rose and Bernard, and I guess Rousseau and Alex are OK. But I sure wouldn't mind seeing the baby or the dog roasting over the fire on a spit. Odds: 100:1


CZ's Best Bets: Michael, Juliet, Sun, Jin

[Michael Cash]

Best post I have read here in months, hands down. Nice work CZ

I think it all comes down to how you define major character. Is it the season 1 cast, or the new cast that has the majority of the storyline or something else altogether?

My money is still on Charlie, one of the sources I got was spot on about the Nikki and Paulo offing and was one of the original ones touting Charlie as biting the dust. I will pick Sun and Claire as my longshots. They are both real solid possible canidates because of their pregnancies. The plot line didn't say someone was murdered, just dies so if my guy is wrong about Charlie I will hedge with these two.

Excited to see things picking up though, by these descriptions we are in for a hell of a close to the season.

MC

[Yzerman#19]

CZ, greatest post I've ever read.

I hope it's charlie or claire as I can't stand either of them, however at least claire provides .15% of eye candy.. I hate Charlie more than any TV character in history.

Characters usually die after their backstory has been told which makes Charlie a candidate for ep 3.21 but I have a funny feeling Jin may be the one to bite the bullet.

Can't wait to find out