ONLINE SPORTSBOOKS

Go Back   MajorWager Forums > MW - Online Sportsbooks > Mess Hall
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Mess Hall Online Sportsbook Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 02:41 PM
MadCapper MadCapper is offline
Two Star General
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,188
Send a message via AIM to MadCapper
Default

2004 stats:
Rivera - 29 saves, 1 blown save, 0.86 era, 1.08 whip, .200 baa

Career stats:
Rivera - 312 saves, 45 blown saves, 2.39 era, 1.06 whip, .214 baa


Stats arent EVERYTHING but these stats dont lie. This is his 8th year as the Yankees closer. Aside from these regular season numbers....he is the best postseason closer (perhaps pitcher) ever. He is also arguably having his best season ever in 2004. He is a sure hall of famer and when he retires he may be considered one of the top 20 pitchers of all-time PERIOD.

(Also, in 1996 as a set up man he threw 107 innings, 130 strikeouts, 8-3 record with a 2.09 era.)

Gagne may be the best right now....but Rivera's stats tell a different story.

Last edited by Uncle B : 10-07-2010 at 12:11 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 02:45 PM
BettingProphets BettingProphets is offline
Two Star General
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 7,432
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

how about Eckersley
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 02:46 PM
Pancho Sanza Pancho Sanza is offline
Three Star General
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 11,238
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

Probably is when you consider the postseason.

If he didn't blow the 2001 world series, there would be no doubt since thats really the only blemish on his record.

Eckersley from 88-92 was as lights out as anyone I remember and you could argue no one was more dominant over a 5 year stretch. He blew some big games in the post season though, giving up the Gibson homer in 88 and Alomar in 92.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 02:48 PM
BettingProphets BettingProphets is offline
Two Star General
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 7,432
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

how about Eckersley


G GS CG SH IP H ER BB SO W L SV ERA

24 Seasons 1071 361 100 20 3285.2 3076 1278 738 2401 197 171 390 3.50
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 02:49 PM
Total Square Total Square is offline
Four Star General
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,642
Default RE: Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

sutter

Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP ERA *lgERA *ERA+
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+
1976 23 CHC NL 6 3 52 0 28 0 0 10 83.3 63 27 25 4 26 73 0 2 332 2.70 3.86 143
1977 24 CHC NL 7 3 62 0 48 0 0 31 107.3 69 21 16 5 23 129 1 7 411 1.34 4.38 327
1978 25 CHC NL 8 10 64 0 47 0 0 27 99.0 82 44 35 10 34 106 1 8 414 3.18 4.05 127
1979 26 CHC NL 6 6 62 0 56 0 0 37 101.3 67 29 25 3 32 110 0 9 403 2.22 4.11 185
1980 27 CHC NL 5 8 60 0 43 0 0 28 102.3 90 35 30 5 34 76 1 2 423 2.64 3.93 149
1981 28 STL NL 3 5 48 0 36 0 0 25 82.3 64 24 24 5 24 57 1 0 328 2.62 3.56 136
1982 29 STL NL 9 8 70 0 58 0 0 36 102.3 88 38 33 8 34 61 3 5 424 2.90 3.64 125
1983 30 STL NL 9 10 60 0 46 0 0 21 89.3 90 45 42 8 30 64 1 2 384 4.23 3.64 86
1984 31 STL NL 5 7 71 0 63 0 0 45 122.7 109 26 21 9 23 77 1 2 477 1.54 3.49 226
1985 32 ATL NL 7 7 58 0 50 0 0 23 88.3 91 46 44 13 29 52 3 0 382 4.48 3.85 86
1986 33 ATL NL 2 0 16 0 11 0 0 3 18.7 17 9 9 3 9 16 0 0 80 4.34 3.99 92
1988 35 ATL NL 1 4 38 0 26 0 0 14 45.3 49 26 24 4 11 40 1 0 193 4.76 3.70 78
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+
12 Years 71 0 0 300 879 328 309 13 37 4251 2.83 3.85 136
WL%= .489 68 661 512 0 1042.3 370 77 861
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+
162 Game Avg 6 7 68 0 52 0 0 30 107.0 90 38 33 7 31 88 1 3 437 2.83 3.85 136
Career High 9 10 71 0 63 0 0 45 122.7 109 46 44 13 34 129 3 9 477 1.34 4.39 327
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 02:52 PM
MadCapper MadCapper is offline
Two Star General
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,188
Send a message via AIM to MadCapper
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

Those guys had era's over 3. Rivera is well under 3.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 03:00 PM
Total Square Total Square is offline
Four Star General
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,642
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

i do have to give mariano credit for being on the mound for the greatest baseball moment of this red sox fans life


__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 03:02 PM
Pancho Sanza Pancho Sanza is offline
Three Star General
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 11,238
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

Eck was a starter for the first part of his career, thats where the era was over 3

ERA as a reliever:

1989 1.56
1990 0.61
1991 2.96
1992 1.91
1993 4.16
1994 4.26
1995 4.83
1996 3.30
1997 3.91
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 03:04 PM
Pancho Sanza Pancho Sanza is offline
Three Star General
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 11,238
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

Rivera

1996 2.09
1997 1.88
1998 1.91
1999 1.83
2000 2.85
2001 2.34
2002 2.74
2003 1.66
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 03:06 PM
Pancho Sanza Pancho Sanza is offline
Three Star General
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 11,238
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

Sutter

1977 1.34
1978 3.19
1979 2.22
1980 2.64
1981 2.62
1982 2.90
1983 4.23
1984 1.54
1985 4.48
1986 4.34
1988 4.76
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 03:06 PM
MadCapper MadCapper is offline
Two Star General
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,188
Send a message via AIM to MadCapper
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

Cant compare those stats. Rivera has it beat bad. From 89-92 eck was a beast....

Rivera does it EVERY year. Especially 2004 when is era is well under 1.00

Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 03:07 PM
Pancho Sanza Pancho Sanza is offline
Three Star General
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 11,238
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

Fingers

1970 3.65
1971 2.99
1972 2.51
1973 1.92
1974 2.65
1975 2.98
1976 2.54
1977 2.99
1978 2.52
1979 4.52
1980 2.80
1981 1.04
1982 2.60
1984 1.96
1985 5.04
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 03:18 PM
MadCapper MadCapper is offline
Two Star General
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,188
Send a message via AIM to MadCapper
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

No doubt Eck, Fingers, Gossage, Sutter, Quisenberry, Franco, Hoffman were all great closers...

But can they rival what Rivera has done?
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 03:37 PM
Triplecrown Triplecrown is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 839
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

rivera like gossage was one of those closers that could and would pitch more than 1 inning for his saves. to me this makes this type of closer much more valuable than the 1 inning wonders. gossage was cetainly very dominant and intimidating in his prime and he was very successful for a long time. he's got to be at the top or very, very close to it IMHO.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 03:41 PM
jjgold jjgold is offline
Five Star General
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 45,795
Default RE: Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

No doubt he is

Yanks win nothing without him
__________________
"JJ Call me a 2'x4' again on the forum and your going to pay" Sportman.
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2004, 03:43 PM
victorygallop victorygallop is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,357
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

Nobody has made more BIG saves.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 07-07-2004, 03:33 AM
PhillyFanatic PhillyFanatic is offline
Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 2,101
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

Hoffman has 61 more saves (373) and only one more blown save (46) compared to Rivera. He also has a lower WHIP and batting average against when matched up with Rivera. Gagne is also on track to blow Rivera's numbers away as a closer, with numbers looking like this as a closer:

2002: 1.97 ERA
2003: 1.20 ERA
2004: 2.00 ERA

Total: 128 saves, 5 blown saves (96.24% compared to Rivera's 87.39% success rate).

Also, older closers should be given a break when looking at their ERAs versus pitchers today. Sutter pitched 122 innings to get 45 saves in his best year, while Rivera pitched 80 innings to get 50 saves in his career year. Sutter routinely had to pitch 2-3 innings to get his saves, while guys today only have to come in during the ninth. Also, please spare me the discussion of game 7 last year. I know Rivera pitched multiple innings, but that was the exception to the rule. The fact that he only led the league in saves twice while playing for the best team also makes it tough to believe that he is the best ever.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 07-07-2004, 04:06 AM
BENN BENN is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 690
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

baseball is stupid
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 07-07-2004, 01:19 PM
Triplecrown Triplecrown is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 839
Default RE:Is Mariano Rivera the Best Closer ever?

BENN=baseball. applies to previous post.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:05 AM.

Please be advised that if you are wagering over the internet, this is illegal in many jurisdictions. A wagering site may be operating legally at their location but it may still be illegal for you to wager from your location. We suggest you check on the legal situation from any jurisdiction in which you may wager.
 

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6