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Old 07-07-2003, 12:29 AM
FENWAY FENWAY is offline
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Default Phil Mickelson now has a tummy to go with his boobs

Check this fat slob out on ESPN2, And his golf game is getting worse
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Old 07-07-2003, 12:31 AM
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Correct Fenway, he is now a disgrace to the game and he let himslef go and does not care anymore. He never was a winner and now we know why. He has no heart and is a big time choker.
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Old 07-07-2003, 12:28 PM
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He is probably in better shape than 90% of the posters here.
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Old 07-07-2003, 12:50 PM
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Correct Sheba if you saw the Devil this guy cannot walk 25 yards without puffing and really not funny.

I can press 90 pound dumbells 15 times and 3 sets FYI.
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Old 07-07-2003, 12:58 PM
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why would a professional athlete allow that to happen?? One of those things I can just never understand. His body is the tool of his trade.

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Old 07-07-2003, 01:14 PM
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Major,

People overstate the situation with Mickelson. As I said he is in better shape than most of the people who post here I am sure.

As far as compared to other golfers he isnt in bad shape. He is more fit this year than in past years.

The guy hits it further than just about anyone on tour. Strength is not an issue with him and being in "shape" really doesnt matter much in golf.

Mickelson is everyones favorite whipping boy. Has a nice looking wife, a loving family, can fly his own plane, makes millions, and just has a great life. Yet people, again usually overweight posters, think he should e suicidal about not winning more on tour, especially majors. It actually infuriates people that he is not suicidal or despondent. The guy cares and works on his game.
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Old 07-07-2003, 02:15 PM
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While I'd be the first to admit that conditioning isn't nearly as important as it is in other...activities(I use
that word because I don't consider golf to be a sport)), I think the problem is that Mickelson DOESN'T
enough about his game. Whenever the embarrassing subject of his lack of majors is brought up, his attitude seems to be, oh, well, it's not that important. This is whistling past the graveyard at best, and
callous indifference to the spirit and competition and his fans at worst. It also brings into focus a weakness of golf, namely that there is so much money in it that guys can slough along and still make a tremendous amount of money. That a player with Mickelson's(apparent) talent has zero majors having played for as long as he has, and having been in a position to win one as many times as he has, is a disgrace.
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Old 07-07-2003, 02:31 PM
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nostaw,

I have never met the man (Mickelson) but I think your reading of his thoughts are as far from reality as can be.

He DOES care about his game. Why else would he revamp his swing? He was # 2 in the world and if happy with that could have kept doing what he was doing. But he wants to improve and made some changes. And its because of these changes that he is struggling right now. Again, he could have done nothing different and been better off in the short term.

Secondly, as far as the majors every impression I get, from articles, interviews, etc, is he DESPERATELY wants to win not just one major but multiple majors. He is just not going to let someone make him feel miserable for finishing second. When he shoots a 68 or 69 in the final round of a major and someone shoves a mic in his face asking him to express his disappointment he is not going to bite.

He has played well enough to win a few majors, whether it be losses to Tiger, Toms or Payne Stewart.

There are still people to this day who are ANGRY at him for even considering missing the end of the US Open to be with his wife during childbirth.

In short, I think he is well rounded, has his priorities set, but has a very competitive desire to win. Its not easy handling the constant questions all the time and I think he handles himself very well.

I think any comments about him not caring are way way off base.

As far as his fans, the support he got at the US Open in 2002 was as loud as any support I have heard a golfer get. He was clearly touched by their support and again desperately wanted to win.
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Old 07-07-2003, 02:39 PM
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I didn't know about the revamping his swing, but whatever he's doing, it ain't working. And I heard what I heard, his comments IMO were about as far from caring passionately about winning as you could possibly be.
Regarding "When he shoots a 68 or 69 in the final round of a major and someone shoves a mic in his face asking him to express his disappointment he is not going to bite." The extent that I "follow" golf is when it's mentioned on ESPN and I'm semi-tuning it out waiting for reporting on SPORTS, so I could be wrong about this, but I thought the problem wasn't that he shoots 68 or 69 and loses to Tiger or somebody else, but that he starts the final round in the top four and then folds up like a cheap suitcase.

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Old 07-07-2003, 02:46 PM
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He has blown up in the 4rth round of majors when in contention, but not recently. Yet the questions are the same.

He will shoot a 68 or something and get bombarded with why didnt you win.

As far as it "not working" that remains to be seen. You may not remember but Tiger did the same thing. He revamped his swing COMPLETELY the year after winning his first masters. And he struggled (for him) for a while. Like 12-18 months. It wasn't until he beat Sergio in the PGA that things came together for him. He knew he would suffer in the short term but had his eye on the long term.

Mickelson is trying to make changes, and later in his career. He could have worked harder in his earlier days as could all of the golfers. Tiger has made everyone work harder, if they want to compete.

I don't see Mickelson mailing it in at all, and going back to the original post is in better shape and a better looking guy than 90% of the posters here. The same posters who talk about "fat" women, haven't seen their own feet in 10 years

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Old 07-07-2003, 02:51 PM
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He may be on a medication such as a steriod or antidepressant that has side effects. It seems like some of you people are just plain jealous and like to build yourselves up by tearing others down.
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Old 07-07-2003, 03:03 PM
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Regarding the shape he's in, he's not in better shape than ME, and I'm older, and obviously, by the tone of several posters here, he's getting worse.I thought he hasn't choked in any Majors recently because he hasn't played well enough to get into the POSITION to choke, with the exception of this year's Master's-and even there, his 68 wasn't good enough to win. I know that Tiger revamped his swing(although I would think that revamping one's swing at 33 compared to 23 is much less likely to be successful), but I didn't know that he went 12-18 months without a Major. In any event, even it that's true, oh for a year or a year and a half isn't oh for a CAREER!
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Old 07-07-2003, 03:18 PM
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Tiger actually went over two years between majors after his 97 triumph.

I am not comparing Mickelson to Tiger or anyone to Tiger. Just making a point about how he does care and revamped his swing.

As far as what other posters are saying (about getting worse) you should know better than that nostaw. Form your own opinion rather than the masses.

If I ever agree with the masses I always reconsider my opinion. It's probably wrong.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I would also add that with very few exceptions there are not many golf experts on this site. I am certainly no expert, but I watch more than just the majors. When people are unfamiliar with a subject they tend to just parrot the headlines.
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Old 07-07-2003, 05:26 PM
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Aly have got to disagree with you on this one.

Mickelson's "body shape" has changed and I think that is effecting his swing. Also carrying extra weight has to effect your stamina. I think Mickelson is on the way to playing better because he is changing his swing to work with his body.

This is not unique remember that former good player David Duvall who completely changed his physique and it screwed him up for a good period of time. He even admitted that he figured he had a new body and he needed to change it.

As a guy who is probably 50+ pounds away from my ideal golfing weight, your swing changes arcs and you hit some of the wierdest shots ever. I also think your consistency goes to crap. But eventually you get used to it and can practice to get more consistent.

Mickelson is still a top 5 player in the world. Though I would put David Toms, Mike Weir ahead of him now. I think part of the deal is the pregnancy that Amy went through and he has probably de-emphasized golf a little bit.
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Old 07-07-2003, 05:39 PM
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Buzz provided in clear English the somewhat vague feelings that I had about this supposed "hard work and revamped game" stuff: I almost never watch golf, so I don't see Mickelson much, but even to my casual eye he is worsening in shape, and working hard and putting in the hours to change and improve your game just doesn't jibe with looking fatter every time I see him-it COULD happen-we are, after all, talking about golf here-but not likely. If he was approaching 50, just kinda marking time till he could ravage the Seniors Tour, I could see it, but at his age...no.
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Old 07-07-2003, 05:53 PM
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Buzz,

How do you feel about the comment, expressed by many, that he doesn't care?

On an unrelated note, Duvall looks sickly both before and after he swings a club. Not quite at the Ian Baker Finch point but getting close. Shockingly bad.
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Old 07-07-2003, 06:08 PM
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I think that Mickelson is at a point in his career that family is more important than golf. I think he tries to work hard and prepare for the majors but in these other events if he isn't going to win he would rather not be there.

Its not that he doesn't care his priorities have changed. He has plenty of money and he is still competitive and has more natural talent than ANYONE out there. I think his conditioning and body shape are attributed to taking a lot of weeks off and not touching a golf club.

He is not washed up and he will win a major. These guys go through cycles golf will become the main thing to Mickelson once again it may not be this year or next year, look at Couples, Jay Haas and Scott Hoch.

The PGA Tour is a grind, every week you could be playing at some point these guys have to say to hell with it and do something else or make something else a priority.

Aly- Mickelson may be going through the motions this year but he has 5 top 10's in about 15 tournaments this year, that is a pretty nice year for most of the guys.
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Old 07-21-2003, 04:19 PM
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Ben Curtis record in majors: 1 for 1

Phil Mickelson: oh for, what is up to now, 45? Nice 78 in the final round, better start wearing a "Bro."
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