Peckle, I know alot about them. They were very beatable 10 years ago, but 95% of them have been changed, If you can bet 1, you bet 1 and don't score for 5 spins and then on the 6th spin you bet 8 or more and will score every time. So when the cherries or on 1, you bet 1 till you miss 5 in a row and then bet the max(64 on most machines, 32 or 96 on some. You may only sore 16 on a 64 bet, but soon you will hit 3 cherries and get 1280 minimum or 3 1 bars and get the 7 spins with a 64 bet or all fruit or at worst just the 2 cherries an either 320 or 1280 or if the 7s on the bonus spin line up, then you will get a few thousand credits for that spin. If you must bet 8, the only way to win is the kind you can hold a line of say 2 cherries or 1bars, you bet 8 and hold and bet 8 again, however I know a way to bet 8 and when you hold you can raise the bet to the limit. It is a little hard to get used to but if you can well you can crush and make the machine pay out up to 500% or more. You have to bet up to 8, 1, 2,3,4,5,6,7,8, when you get to 8 or whatever the original bet was, hit the take and bet button and the same time and the bet will raise and the line will stay, DON'T take your finger off the take button or the line will dissapear, when you get to whatever you want to bet, hit start and then you can take off your finger from the take button. I know a few other ways but they are more complicated. I am in Ky, but in Illinois, they have Truckstops with beatable machines, they also have them legal in Birmingham Alabama but they pay Gift Certificats, I went for 3 days and only put up $20, and after 3 days I had over $2000 in Gift certificates. The best place to find the good machies are in VFW or American Legions, or Elks or any kind of clubs like them. If you find a machine and you can not bet 1, and you can also not hold and raise, don't play it unless you don't mind playing for about a 60 to 80% payback only. The cheat things you see on ebay, I know all about so if you have any more questions, ask me before you buy and I should be able to answer most of them. ALSO, if anyone here at Major Wager is a member of a VFW or any kind of Private club and you can get paid, Take me in as a guest with you, and I will put up all the cash and split the profit 50/50.