Don Best and the Industry.

[knuckle ball]

Is it just me or are they doing more harm to the industry then good. It seems they always angle for the sake of there own pockets, and everyone else gets screwed.

[rfinelli]

DB is by far the fastest and most user friendly software in the business. There is no competion period.

[knuckle ball]

True, the injuries are lightining fast, even though they are wrong most of the time and gamblers get stuck on the wrong side because of it. But that is ok as long as there user friendly... right.

[jjgold]

Oddswiz has the best overall and stable books in the world.

[The Actuary]

<< DB is by far the fastest and most user friendly software in the business. There is no competion period. >>



Yea and at $500 a month it is none of the above, but hey it's your money spend it where you want.


Do they give the buy back numbers? NO, whattya mean NO, how can it be the best when the information is incomplete? User friendly, really, ever seen the information poresented anyway else? Like in the table form, ordered by price not by advertising location at the top of the screen?



The Romans never thought their day of reckoning was ever coming either.

[I Bin Bookin]

<< [i]

<<

Do they give the buy back numbers? NO, whattya mean NO, how can it be the best when the information is incomplete? >>



Would you be so kind as to expand on this allegation with specific examples and the specific books in which this aledgedly takes place.

This is a serious allegation the substance of which is extremely important to me personally.

Thank you in advance.

REALITY

[The Actuary]

DIdn't you say you are leaving?

OK, now since this is such a serious allegation, perhaps you can enlighten me and point out the specific cases when the buy-back numbers are listed? It will be far easier.

Cause my answer is never,ever on totals, and sorry but I got so sick of not having them I use another service, so if they managed to actually post the dog prices in baseball this year, my apologies. That wasn't the case in the past, and as far as I know had not changed.


TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS IS THEY LIST THE FAV. PLUS THE TOTAL, AND NO PRICE ON THE DOG

And somehow if they do, it is a recent change, like chasing the competition rather than setting the bar themselves.

[The Actuary]

Can I get the odds from them in this format?

If not, why? Clearly the most user friendly.

10-9-2002 Atlanta Braves vs New York Mets

odds




Planet Pinnacle
Sportingbet
Carib Sports
SPORTSinteraction
GC Sports
BETCOM
WWTS
DirecBet
All World
IASbet.com
Multibet
WSEX
gamebookers
Centrebet
+132 -142 -1.50
+130 -150 -1.50
+130 -150 -1.50
+130 -150 -1.50
+125 -145 -1.50
+125 -145 -1.50
+125 -150 -1.50
+125 -145 -1.50
+125 -145 -1.50
+125 -145 -1.50
+120 -141 -1.50
+120 -140 -1.50
+117 -141 -1.50
+108 -139 -1.50





Obviously a runline example, and it did not paste right as the prices should obviously be next to the books.

[knuckle ball]

The Actuary,

That is just annoying standard bs. What about the books like Carbi and Dunes that were left on the screen when they were broke. Why, because this way they can get new post up money and keep the advertising buck going to Don Best. Again the gamblers get stuck, the solid books get tarnished, and it is another bad thing for the industry....because of Don Best.

[DoggieStyle]

Don Best is a complete joke.

How many Books are on there right now?

They still charge $500 a month?

*****************************************

Option........

A Book that should NEVER be on a line Service!

If you call them to make a bet they will look at the Don Best and change their line
a couple of pennys. They are a complete Joke!

How Pathetic is it for them to claim they have a -142 &lt; But when you call to bet it they
will change it to -144. It's the Fu(king reason I called them is to lay the -142.... And
they look at the Don Best and change the number.

They even admitted that's what they do.

They even admitted it!

So WHY ARE THEY ON THE DON BEST?

************************************************** **************

Rio and SkyBook.....

It's 1 fu(king Book!

But looking at Don Best you would get the impression that there are 2 Books.

Good Books but they are not 2 Books.

************************************************** **************

Jazz and ABC.....

Also 1 Fu(king Book!

And it looks like they are another MONTY in the ruff.

I mean how can they still be on the Service?

Shouldn't this service consist of GOOD SOLID Books?

If the lines are NO GOOD (weak) then why would anyone want to see them?

************************************************** *************

Tradewinds.....

One of the Biggest STIFFS ever in this Industry.

But for Don Best.... It's great to have them as part of the Service.

I mean after all.... We need to know what the Big STIFF lines are.

Tradewinds did what ACES did, But they did it in Las Vegas!

But Don Best has nothing to lose playing there (because they don't bet) and if they do
it again it won't be Don Bests fault.... It will be the Players fault for Playing at Tradewinds.

Again Tradewinds is the ACES gold from the 80's.

I guess if you wait 10 years your reputation is forgivin.

************************************************** **************

Leroys... Caesers.... Mirage.... Excaliber....

If you don't mind getting told "The line has changed" when you want to make a bet..

Then they are for you.

These Crappy Casinos hate Good Players.

Again these Casino are useless if you are serious.

You can't even bet at them... they will accuse you of being a runner.

Complete Bullsh!t claiming everyones a runner.

Rat Books for sure.

************************************************** **************

Fort Knox.....?

How and Why are they on the service?

They follow Grande and Pinnacle...... The Manager there should just pay those Books
for their line moves. After all those Books change Fort Knoxs line all day.

Do they ever change a line by themselves?

Again Why would anyone want to see their copied lines!

************************************************** *************

Cascade...

It's fun to see a gambling Bookies lines.

Day after day looking to see who the book is betting on.

Got to love those Books that gamble.

************************************************** *************

N.A.B.

What will they be called this week?

Why are they always changing their name?

Why would anyomne want to play at a book that can't keep it's name?

************************************************** *************

Yes there are a couple of Books that are good,

The ones I didn't talk about are pretty good.

But there are not many of them!

[I Bin Bookin]

"Every time I try to get out they pull me back in..."

Michael Corleone Godfather III

The term you were looking for is "take back" not "buy back".

"take back" is the other side of the "lay" price.

Example: Yanks -1.60 (LAY)
Mets +1.50 (TAKEBACK)


"buy back" more accurately refers to pointspread sports.

OPENER:-1 (-1,-1.5,-2."ORIGINAL NUMBER"-those 1st and 2nd numbers where "originators" send out their "open orders".)
CLOSER:-3.5 (+3.5,+3 "BUY BACK"- the number necessarily for "middlers" to close out their "middle attempt)

&lt;&lt;Do they give the buy back numbers? NO,&gt;&gt;

This statement implys that books who CLOSE a game at 3.5 in their line histories may or may not have actually had the game 4 but because the "pros" played + 4 the book never posted that available number in their line history...

"buy back" would be the extended final number a "middler" loks for to close his "middle" OR the EXTENDED NUMBER a book posts in his effort to reduce or balance the level of decision he is comfortable with.

REALITY


In regards to Don Best I would ask the more intelligent posters here to consider this:

http://www.majorwager.com/fusetalk/m...=%20DON%20BEST

Thread Title: Regarding The Recent Problems At Don Best From REALITY...

Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:21 PM

A few weeks ago I stopped by the offices of DON BEST to visit with Dana.

During the course of our conversation we got on the subject of the recent DON BEST service problems.

I have to admit if I didn't know Dana and the professionalism of his staff and organization I would be screaming "bullsh*t" when they released the story of getting "hacked by Russians".

They didn't just hack DON BEST they actually attempted to extort them.

The story is true and serious as a heart attack.

Dana has spared no expense in the infrastructure he has put together in an effort to maintain his perch atop the line information industry.

Please spare me the "if he spared no expense why wasn't his security up to the task to prevent this hacking?".

If the U.S.Government's data bases are getting hacked and they have all the resources in the world at their disposal it is not a stretch to realize that a private business could be exposed to this threat no matter how much money they throw at the problem.

If you are still not convinced think about this.

Don Best is as close to a legal monopoly as you will ever see.

To say they have a captive audience would be an understatement.

They have provided the best real time odds in the business for the longest time.

They are a profitable business which is smart enough and has the financial resources to reinvest some of that profit in continually upgrading and refining their service.

This is not a question of Dana saying,"I'm the only game in town,my clients will just have to deal with the problems as they continue to arise".

Dana knows the position DON BEST occupies on top the real time odds line service industry.

He and the staff at DON BEST are not sitting back idley and waiting for this problem to go away on it's own.

Dana is using every resource at his disposal,financial and otherwise to solve this problem and he is making every effort to insure it dosen't happen again in the future.

I'm not here to be an apologist for Dana and his business because he is a friend of mine,I'm just trying to give an insight from the other side of this situation.

If anyone here were fortunate enough to own a profitable business that sat alone atop any industry wouldn't you use every resource at your disposal to correct a situation that was threatening your very livliehood and that leadership position?

Especially given the fact that some aspiring "pretenders to the throne" are smart enough to take advatage of this window of opportunity provided by this unfortunate situation from Don Best's perspective.

IF you were lucky enough to have a business in a situation like DON BEST and would do anything to preserve and protect it,doesen't it stand to reason that Dana who IS in such a position with DON BEST is doing EVERYTHING possible and will do ANYTHING possible to remain the number one provider of real time odds in this industry?

Any argument to the contrary simply does not hold water...

REALITY

[I Bin Bookin]

<< Can I get the odds from them in this format? >>




***********************************
***********************************
** **
** BASEBALL WAGERING INFORMATION **
** **
***********************************
***********************************

**** PRICE COLOR CODES FOR ALL SPORTS ****

BLACK - 10 CENT LINE RED - 20 CENT LINE
PINK - 13 CENT LINE MUSTARD - 25 CENT LINE
BLUE - 15 CENT LINE GREEN - 30 CENT LINE
TEAL - 18 CENT LINE PURPLE - 40 CENT LINE
NAVY - 50 CENT LINE OR MORE

I guess you cant walk and chew gum at the same time either....

[The Actuary]

Thank you for correcting the syntax.

I assume they still do not offer the takeback price as you put it, nor the table form I posted, so this is untrue.

IF you were lucky enough to have a business in a situation like DON BEST and would do anything to preserve and protect

besides some are now offering point and click betting, is DB?

to be honest, I used to have DB on my screen more than any other site, however several sites have since developed that provide the information I want, in the form I want, at a price I can afford. Too bad.

TA

I guess you cant walk and chew gum at the same time either....

BTW your not stalking again are you, that could be very unhealthy, perhaps consult your local medical professional.

Good answer, should I have expected anything less? Let's see now, sports bets are commodities, the commidity exchanges use the format I prefer, wonder if they can walk and chew gum at the same time.

[Pancho Sanza]

TA,

You said you were leaving too before yet you had your sorry ass in here a day later so quit throwing stones.

[I Bin Bookin]

<< Thank you for correcting the syntax.

I assume they still do not offer the takeback price as you put it, nor the table form I posted, so this is untrue.

IF you were lucky enough to have a business in a situation like DON BEST and would do anything to preserve and protect

besides some are now offering point and click betting, is DB?

to be honest, I used to have DB on my screen more than any other site, however several sites have since developed that provide the information I want, in the form I want, at a price I can afford. Too bad.

TA

I guess you cant walk and chew gum at the same time either....

BTW your not stalking again are you, that could be very unhealthy, perhaps consult your local medical professional.

Good answer, should I have expected anything less? Let's see now, sports bets are commodities, the commidity exchanges use the format I prefer, wonder if they can walk and chew gum at the same time. >>




Why cant I get the picture of "Dorothy" and "Toto" being swept up in to the funnel of the tornado in,"The Wizard Of Oz" out of my head?

This is one of the worst cases of "spin" I have ever seen.

Be careful with this stuff,it will make you dizzy and you might fall down and injure yourself...

REALITY

[The Actuary]

rotflmao,

spin?

1)Takeback prices
2)Format
3)Price
4)Click and bet

Four features not present at DB but elsewhere, somehow that doesn't ring the truth of doing everything possible. Innovation is a foreign concept, mimication(made up word, so do not correct it) is the norm.

The romans never thought they'd fall either.

TA

[I Bin Bookin]

<< Spintuary,

IF you were lucky enough to have a business in a situation like DON BEST and would do anything to preserve and protect

Spinman if you are going to post a quote post it in it's entirety.

Not out of context to support your agenda:

"IF you were lucky enough to have a business in a situation like DON BEST and would do anything to preserve and protect it,doesen't it stand to reason that Dana who IS in such a position with DON BEST is doing EVERYTHING possible and will do ANYTHING possible to remain the number one provider of real time odds in this industry?"

BTW your not stalking again are you, that could be very unhealthy, perhaps consult your local medical professional.

Good answer, should I have expected anything less? Let's see now, sports bets are commodities, the commidity exchanges use the format I prefer, wonder if they can walk and chew gum at the same time. >>




&lt;&lt;BTW your not stalking again are you, that could be very unhealthy&gt;&gt;

"unhealty"?

Really!

In what way SPECIFICALLY!

REALITY

[I Bin Bookin]

<< TA,

You said you were leaving too before yet you had your sorry ass in here a day later so quit throwing stones. >>



MUCHAS GRACIAS SENOR SANZA..

SENOR REALITY

[The Actuary]

LOL

Spin?

I posted I was going on a posting vacation, clearly implying I was going to return.

Your excuse?