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Old 06-07-2002, 12:17 PM
raymond751 raymond751 is offline
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Default question to kelso sturgeon

first,thanks for the no help with my no pay problem with score sportsbook!!!!???[owed $5000].how can you write about other people on a watchdog site and support a sportsbook that doesn't pay people.how can this site support this bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a joke!!
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Old 06-07-2002, 12:32 PM
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Raymond, we have nothing to do with Kelso or Score. I suggest you direct your anger at Kelso and the Rx for touting them. Score has been in the stockade for nearly a year at MajorWager and was never once recommended. I would suggest calling The Shrink to see if he can help you.

This site allows the opinions and editorials of just about anyone that wishes to be published. Does not mean we like, agree or support what they say.

I presume that this exact post is made at The RX who got you in this mess in the first place?

Bad enough we have to deal with our mistakes, Aces et al , now people want to hold us responsible for Score, Goliath, Pro5 and Yahoops books that were never even recommended here or at BW? Sure, we are responsible for every book that goes under. Geeez Raymond, give me a break.

Answer me this two question. Why did you sign up at Score?

Are you a person who blames a police officer for getting a speeding ticket?

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Old 06-07-2002, 12:41 PM
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Raymond, I cannot see the "question to The Shrink post"? What gives? If you really want help, thats where you will go. He may even send ya 500 bucks for touting them. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Not much but it helps. Why dont you ask him.
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Old 06-07-2002, 03:07 PM
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I have to agree with Russ here. We never touted Score nor did we ever endorse them.

Calling us a joke is uncalled for in this situation, what do we have to do with Score.......Nothing........Not one thing.......

Kelso promotes Score, we don't promote Kelso.........we only post his articles...............Your gripe should be with the place that you saw Score promoted, not with MajorWager..........

If you checked the Stockade you would have found them there..........probably before you sent them your money........

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Old 06-07-2002, 03:11 PM
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Raymond,

Send me the details and I'll be more then willing to place a call in your behalf..........thedevil@majorwager.com
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Old 06-07-2002, 04:27 PM
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it's alway's the cops fault!! just frustrated that you would indorse [by posting his articles] a guy like kelso who is touting a place that everybody knows isn't paying people!! score was reccommended to me by american sports analysts[asa] over a year ago and initally they paid as i recieved two withdraws from them. my read on them is they don't want to pay winners[some outs you win at some you don't]my other outs are pinnacle,wit,canbet,allworld,delmar,and olympic.which i've never had a problem with!my initial post was not done in anger just feedback.i will be emailing you for your help.sorry if i pushed any buttons.
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Old 06-07-2002, 04:32 PM
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You may not promote that sportsbook but you publish his articles. A thief like Kelso should be in jail. If you hear some of the garbage that he and his salesman spew then you would realize that he and his associates belong in jail. Case Closed!
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Old 06-07-2002, 04:46 PM
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If you invite Jeese Jackson to write an article in the NY Times does that mena that the NY Times now must believe what he says? If NBC invites Bill Gates to speak during one of thier new shows, must they endorse Microsoft and all it does and stands for?

No....these are newsworthy people with newsworthy ideas and they are invited to share their ideas and opinions in public or private forums. Just b/c a forum asks or pays someone to write articles it does not mean the forum supports that person or his ideas and views. It simply means they believe what this person has to say is news worthy and people like to read it. I can't see how you can equate having a person write for your company and being blamed for a sportsbook that person endorsed on their own. If MW had joined in the endorsement then you have an argument....but that was not the case and you are barking up the wrong tree.
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Old 06-07-2002, 04:54 PM
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You have confused political opinion with product endorsement. The NY Times maintains
editorial control and screens advertisers for legitimacy. I don't believe that an
editorialist, internal or guest, would be allowed to push a product that was defective,
a scam, etc. This is the correct analogy in this case. Sturgeon's value as an
editorialist may be debatable, but his endorsement of a ripoff-book should
preclude his commentary in a forum/site that is dedicated to protecting player's
interests.
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Old 06-07-2002, 05:02 PM
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If you are protecting players then you should place at least an editorial note before Kelso's post or ban it outright.

Obviously if people are confused by Kelso's editorials, then you have a problem getting your message across.

Case in point. I also thought you were endorsing Score by having Kelso post his tirades.
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Old 06-07-2002, 05:06 PM
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Doesn't anyone look in the Stockade. How the hell can we endorse a book with have as a don't play at.

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Old 06-07-2002, 05:15 PM
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I've enjoyed the Kelso articles.

It never occured to me that by presenting them that MW was endorsing Kelso or anything within the articles. To me it appears Score is used as an example of alledged actual events that occured, not an advertisement. I don't know about Score, but the timeline in which they stopped paying compared to the timeline of the events that occured in the article would be of interest.

Perhaps the best solution is a editorial disclaimer and if a sportsbook is mentioned, linking that sportsbook to any relative info contained within MW, be it a review, a recommended list or the stockade.
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Old 06-07-2002, 05:18 PM
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I think I would 2nd Q-bert's idea of a tag or some kind of disclaimor at least for future situations like this one. While the MW position on Scores is well known to most regulars, there is a reasnoable chance that a new visitor may get drawn to Kelso and eventually end up at Scores.

btw, there are at least 10 posters here at MW with better writing skills and material that I would rather read than Kelso. He is a con man to the 10th degree and not worthy of placement on the MW home page IMHO.
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Old 06-07-2002, 05:53 PM
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I think this post points to my problem with posting the Kelso Sturgeon series (I still say he should publish what he knows and move on).

It comes down to one of those "which of these things doesn't belong with the other" questions:

A. Quality, in-depth reviews of a large number of books
B. Basic Training (The best one page of sports betting advice anywhere)
C. A forum that allows anyone to post their thoughts on sport betting and virtually anything else.
D. Making Kelso Sturgeon a "columnist" and putting his rambling conjecture on the main page of the site.

I say D just doesn't fit. I think allowing him to post his stuff in the forum would be ok, but linking from the front page and playing up this guy isn't cool. If you publish someone you are at least indicating you don't think he is a fraud. If people now find his site and then play at a crappy book because of it, I think MajorWager.com needs to rethink the policy which I quote from The Major below..

The Major says: This site allows the opinions and editorials of just about anyone that wishes to be published. Does not mean we like, agree or support what they say.



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Old 06-07-2002, 06:09 PM
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The idea that a "series" is needed to keep attacking KW is ridiculous.
It wouldn't be posted here if it weren't on that subject--keeping the
war alive is all it's about.

Sturgeon is a scumbag tout who lies down with ripoff operations, and
most of what he's written is slanderous, unprovable b.s. That anyone
would wander in here, read his ragged prose and suddenly be
'enlightened' about MW, KW or anything else is ludicrous nonsense.
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Old 06-07-2002, 06:10 PM
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I am sorry guys. Please forgive me if my question seems dumb. What is stockade.
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Old 06-07-2002, 06:17 PM
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Stockade is where a bad book is sentenced. For a variety of reasons mainly not paying. It is basically a list of books you should stay away from
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Old 06-07-2002, 06:40 PM
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Its sounding more and more the real issue isn't Kelso, but censorship of a topic that some don't want to see.

I also find it hypocritical that while his "attack" is called BS even though they have been, for the most part specific and referenced to actual legal procedings. However the attacks on Kelso have been general without a specfic bit of information.

Maybe they're deserved, but haven't seen any real information or documentation to form an opinion as to what he's done wrong, ethically or legally and why his articles should be discredited for the subject(s) addressed.
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Old 06-07-2002, 09:47 PM
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you guys make me laugh major has kelso to help wager
his pissing contest with the rx.the major cares about the major
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