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Old 09-20-2004, 04:56 AM
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Default World Ranking system wrong????

Does the Euro rout of the US mean the world ranking scoring system is wrong? When you look at the world rankings of the players of the respective teams you would have thought the US would hold a distinctive advantage but perhaps the players aren't as good as the rankings suggest.

woods(2) v casey(27) - won 3&2 as you would think
mickleson(4) v garcia(12) - lost 3&2
love iii(6) v clarke(15) - halved
furyk(11) v howell(68) - won 6&4
perry(16) v westwood(41) - lost 1 up
toms(22) v monty(62) - lost 1 up
campbell(14) v donald(36) - won 5&3
dimarco(17) v jimenez(20) - won 1 up
funk(59) v levet(43) - lost 1 up
riley(40) v poulter(60) - lost 3&2
haas(23) v harrington(8) - lost 1 up
cink(10) v mcginley(67) - lost 3&2

According to the world rankings the US should win the singles 10-2 and with them playing on home soil, home support and conditions they are more used to this would seem reasonable but players of lower world rankings on the european team looked better players: eg: westwood looked a far better player than perry, poulter looked way better than riley, mcginley than cink etc etc.

I reckon the current system of awarding more points for PGA tour events than euro events needs looking in to. It seems very strange that players on the euro team whon are lower ranked weren't the dogs in a few matches.

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Old 09-20-2004, 01:36 PM
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Default RE:World Ranking system wrong????

No not at all.

The PGA tour is the best tour in the World. Not even close.

Because of the depth.

Cant extrapolate from one head to head match up that the rankings are off. Match play is the great equalizer.

Last I looked there werent many Europeans winning the majors.

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Old 09-20-2004, 04:35 PM
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Default RE:World Ranking system wrong????

I"m not saying the PGA tour isn't the best tour but the points scoring for world rankings seems a bit skewed towards that tour. No doubt that the europeans have under performed in the majors but because of the world ranking set up so few of them qualify.
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Old 09-20-2004, 04:48 PM
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The tours just arent comparable

You have so many great Aussies on the PGA tour and of course VJ, Els, Maryuma, etc.

The quality of 1-150 on the PGA tour is jusl light years ahead. The best of the best are comparable, but again the Euro's lack of success in the majors would suggest their rankings are where they should be. They cant even win their own major.

And I am someone who was rooting for Europe, like several of the players, and whose favorite tourney is the Open Championship
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Old 09-20-2004, 05:52 PM
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Default RE:World Ranking system wrong????

I'm not disputing the fact that the PGA tour is the best - the money is there so the top players will of course go there but I would say that players of similar world rankings on the European tour are better all round players than those on the PGA tour.

eg Harrington better than Weir, Cabrera better than flesch, westwood better than riley, Haeggman better than Faxon, Immelman (50 times better than) Tway, O hern better than Herron, Monty better than Hoch, B davis better than Huston, etc etc.

No doubt the PGA tour is the best tour but i think the world ranking bias to that tour flatters a lot of the players on that tour.
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Old 09-20-2004, 11:12 PM
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Why haven't Monty, Clarke, Westwood, Harrington won any majors? Just to name 4?

All of them have had plenty of chances. I realize Sergio is still very young so didnt bring him up.

Why hasnt Monty ever won a tour event in the US?

I think Sergio will win multiple majors before he is through but not sure if the others will.

I like Darren Clarke, he has played well in US Tour events. But again where are the majors? More important where is the regular contention in majors?

John Daly would dominate on the European tour if he cared too.
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Old 09-20-2004, 11:55 PM
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Default RE:World Ranking system wrong????

Monty has been close a number of times as has harrington amd Monty's best days are way behind him. i'd be surprised if harrington doesn't win a major or two and Clarke too. However there are only 4 majors so not everyone that is a very good player is going to win one.

John daly is a very unfair example to bring up - he is world class - top 5 player when he is hot so yes he would win plenty of events on the euro tour IF he was on song but he'd miss as many cuts as he does on the PGA tour - there is no way he, furyk, Cink, Toms or other so called top players would dominate, in fact i doubt if many of them would win more than once every couple of years.
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Old 09-21-2004, 10:40 AM
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I understand its hard to win majors. But these guys rarely contend.

To be honest they dont appear to have the same drive. To be the best.

They are perfectly happy making a great living and hanging with their friends. And there is nothing wrong with that at all. We should all be so lucky.

But they dont make the extra push like Tiger, VJ, Ernie and lately Phil to be the best.

Furyk and Toms are better players than just about anyone Europe can throw out there. When healthy.

They clearly get up for the Ryder Cup. Surprised the majors dont bring that out in them.
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Old 09-21-2004, 12:22 PM
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Default RE:World Ranking system wrong????

Tiger, VJ, Ernie & Phil are a cut above and everyone knows that and even Love III is exceptional when firing but I don't see much in the other so called top players that warrants that much respect. In fact even though the americans have dominated the majors recently as the Europeans did in faldo, woosnam, olazabal previously the winners have been one offs and players you would be VERY surprised if they ever one another major and in fact another tournament eg: Curtis, Hamilton, Micheel & Beem. hamilton may not fall into that category - i think he is a quality player on certain types of course.

My issue was with the world rankings and NOT with the PGA tour and I doubt you would challenge the comparisons I made with similarly ranked players.
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Old 09-21-2004, 01:10 PM
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Curtis was a fluke and wont win anything again.

Hamilton is a good player who will at least contend in majors again. I think Micheel and Beem can at least contend again.

But yes Majors dont tell the whole story. But at the same time over your career you need to put yourself into position to win them and ultimately do so.

Faldo was a great player.

Woosnam one his major and contended again

Olazbal, Seve of course too.

But this current crop of Euros hasnt been as successful.

In short, I dont pay much attention to the World Rankings (look how long it took VJ to overcome Tiger when we all knew VJ as better), but from what I have seen they dont seem that far off. Remember they are based over two years.
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