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Old 02-23-2007, 03:35 PM
marc marc is offline
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Minnow,

Many of us knew for years that books were storing our neteller info. By the way, when you make a transfer from the merchant site, Neteller provides the merchant with the name on the neteller account, email associated with the neteller account, and the ip address.

When you consider how many sportsbooks close shop and how many clerks get fired year after year, it's shocking that there aren't more problems.

Here is my guess as to what these thieves are doing.

There seem to be 3 ways sportsbooks can configure the api link to neteller. 1)They can automatically let all requests go thorugh.
2) Before the requests is approved, they compare the name on the merchant account to the name on the neteller account and make sure they match.
3) Check the neteller account and see it is associated with any other account holders.

Just to give an example, lets say you wnat to send someone 1k. If you send it using neteller, neteller would charge you $19. Another way to do it, if it's a person you know and trust, is find a sportsbook that will let you dpeosit money directly inot your friends account. FOr instance, you used to be able to log into your firneds skybook account, and deposit money form your neteller account into his. Now skybook checks the neteller account, and when the system sees that you have use this neteller account with a different skybook account, it stops the transfer from going through.

My guess is that at 10bet, there is no security check. As long as the neteller account and secure id are a match, the transfer goes through. So they can spend all day pinging accounts via 10bet. Once they find an acocunt with money, they can go ahead and and set up the poker account.

The problem isn't really 10bet. Even if 10bet stopped it, they could just as easily use another merchant. The problem is that neither neteller nor the poker sites care. All anyone has to do is look at the poker logs and see who is winning.

If you just look at one case, you might not be able to discern who the chips are being dumped to. but when you have over a dozen peole who've been robbed, it's not difficult to see which player is always at the table winning.

But no one cares, because it is a lot simple to tell the player, that it's his fault. Security measures are only in place to protect neteller and the merchants, there are no security measures to protect players.
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